Land Value Tax (LVT) is opposed to land rights
tony at cultureshop.org.uk
Mon Aug 16 18:51:02 BST 2010
This discussion on LVT has gone quite far enough
... and as usual seems to be going nowhere. And
it will never go anywhere because LVT is
fundamentally opposed to land rights. It is a
further removal of the right to enjoy land
without being disturbed by the tax man. Like
council tax with dwellers only having the 'right
to stay' under threat of being summonsed, having
the bailiffs round or being kicked out.
This is why travellers are so hated by the
taxators and perverse creators of 'new markets in
tax' because travellers are so difficult to
threaten with eviction if they do not pay - they
are in fact geared up for evicton and cannot be
so easily intimidated by the state threatening to move them on.
Providing an exemption is a nice 'work around'
for as long as it lasts but it is far better to
levy taxes, where we have to, on luxury goods and
services as I said before. It is far better to
have a principled tax system which falls only on those who can afford to pay.
In principle I think its fair to say that Diggers
do not want to see anybody paying rent, wheras
you seem to paint rent as a good thing... helping
one get off paying ones land tax but that is a
deliberate mis-speak - the landlord will of
course pass this tax on to the tenant. Also
occupiers of land shoud be free to decide what
they want to do on it without pressure on them to
do whatever makes the most money.
Diggers campaign for a society where we all have
access to the land we need to live ..... without
paying rent to anyone. As Gerrard Winstanley was wont to say.
The land value taxation lobby are not a grass
roots bunch by any stretch of their imagination
either .. they survive on grants from 'philanthropists', foundations etc.
Bringing in new taxes on the most fundamental of
human needs is something of a totaltarian
position which no vaguely democratic system could
possibly get away with. It is designed to tie as
many people as possible into the money economy so
as to 'earn' money to pay their taxes and boost
economic 'growth, yes, back to the bad old days of economic slavery.
As I'm sure you know LVT in Hong Kong has led to
the most densely populated blocks of flats on the
planet as landlords squeeze as many people as possible into rabbit hutches.
Land Value Taxation is not the way forward by any
stretch of the imagination so please waffle on
about it elsewhere to your hearts content but we have standards here.
--- In Diggers350 at yahoogroups.com, Mark Barrett <marknbarrett at ...> wrote:
> hi tony
lvt does not, as
> you indicate necessarily punish the poor as it is owners, not renters who
> become liable and there is no reason why a hefty exemption band can be
> included, as lvt gets phased in, say exemption for owner occupires
> of properties worth 250,000 or less
> On 14 August 2010 13:54, Tony Gosling <tony at ...> wrote:
> > Actually Mark, the Guardian leader writer has it right on this one.
> > IMO the latest house price bubble has been created by a combination of two
> > main factors
> > Instability and uncertainty on the stock exchange which has come from war,
> > war spending and short selling by the city. This means small investors
> > taking their savings out of the stock exchange and putting them into
> > buy-to-let property, much more property than they can themselves use.
> > Economic migration, which has increased demand for housing, particularly
> > over the last 15 years
> > Record immigration sees UK population soar
> > Land Value Taxation, or LVT, solves none of this. In fact, like the poll
> > tax, it undermines one of the most fundamental of our human needs.
> > Any ethical taxation policy must recognise
that tax should be levied on non
> > essentials, the more luxurious goods and
services, so as to protect the poor
> > and the needy from the burden of taxation.
> > Sir Winston Churchill was one of the most powerful advocates of LVT in his
> > generation but then again he was not a
peace-time prime minister, nor a 'man
> > of the people'.
> > Tony
> > At 11:59 14/08/2010, Mark Barrett wrote:
> > *High house prices not caused by shortage*
> > There is no evidence that high house
caused by a shortage of homes
> > 6 August). With over a million properties
empty in England alone, it makes no sense to talk of a shortage. There
> > are two factors causing inflated house
prices: the failure to
values; and the ability of banks to create unlimited credit, leading to
> > leveraged speculation in land. In 1970, the average house price (more
> > accurately, it is the land on which it
stands which increases in value) was
> > £4,400. Now it's about £180,000 an average
rise of 9% a year. Speculation
> > depends upon a constant supply of ever more indebted buyers a pyramid
> > scheme, whose final collapse is inevitable.
> > A land tax would tax unearned gains from rising values and so discourage
> > speculation and encourage idle resources to be used, cutting the blight of
> > boarded-up properties. It would provide the
government with the bulk of its
> > revenue, enabling taxes on income and property taxes, such as council tax,
> > to be phased out. A land value tax is
advocated by the Green party<http://www.greenparty.org.uk/>,
> > the Co-operative party <http://www.party.coop/> and even some members of
> > the cabinet.
> > Ken MacIntyre
> > Leatherhead, Surrey
> > +44 (0)7786 952037
> > http://tonygosling.blip.tv/
> > http://www.thisweek.org.uk/
> > http://www.911forum.org.uk/
> > "Capitalism is institutionalised bribery."
> > _________________
> > www.abolishwar.org.uk
> > www.elementary.org.uk
> > www.public-interest.co.uk
> > www.radio4all.net/index.php/series/Bristol+Broadband+Co-operative
> > http://utangente.free.fr/2003/media2003.pdf
> > "The maintenance of secrets acts like a psychic poison which alienates the
> > possessor from the community" Carl Jung
> > https://188.8.131.52/members/www.bilderberg.org/phpBB2/
> "We hear men speaking for us of new laws strong and sweet /Yet is there no
> man speaketh as we speak in the street.
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