[Diggers350] The tectonic plates of energy policy just moved! Did you notice?

[ilyan]

Back in 1990 (Amex Marjolin Essay) I was suggesting that a carbon tax be 
paid in carbon.    Whoever was the imbecile who accepts that tax  in a 
fake currency that is not a medium of exchange and a long term store of 
value is either a real imbecile or should be shot.

They could pay with the carbon in paper,  or with the carbon in wooden 
nickels, but the carbon in one cheque for a billion pounds just is not 
enough.      It might take trillions of such cheques.

There may be a thesis or two to be written about the tax value of the 
carbon in diamonds.

Have fun.
  Ilyan


On 10/11/2010 14:40, Mr Zouk wrote:
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> a few things that whilst i agree pollution should stop, but are we being told everything?
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> Is this simply just not a move to tax oxygen? in simple terms a carbon tax.
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> Lets look at it this way, we have seen corruption on all levels of government and corporations, some of us have experienced it first hand.
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> There have been many patents for everything from water running cars to well everything is possible, which the huge corporations have bought up.
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> So the quesiton is this one, if a carbon tax was to be brought in, the likelyhood of it having any effect is zilch. Why? because the big corporations could just purchase their way out of the tax. i.e. the would treat it like a tax deduction, or an accounting excercise.
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> everyday people on the other hand would be coughing up huge sums of money, just so that the corporations could continue with their government sponsored farces.
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> government is a business, look up the house of commons and every other government entity and you will discover that they too are registered companies.
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> I personally do not think a carbon tax is the solution, the only solution can be for people to stand up and make a difference and take responsilibty for their own energy etc.
> Otherwise whilst money and governments and corporations are in the way of us living healthily and sustainably. Nothing much will change except people losing more freedoms.
> (and the government are already implimenting strategies for this even via internet censorship and other rules and regualtions that you woudn't be able to fathom.)
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> You think a one world government isn't in the making?
> http://www.ukipwsx.org/?EU_Regions:Arc_Manche
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> Until we realise who controls the money, contorls the world, and until we rid ourselves of it, we will never truly reach our full potential.
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> there is abundance in this world except the corporations and government make out their is scarcity, this fear is what holds the corporate governments control over our everyday lives...
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> I would like to share somem videos with you, so that you can get another view, and i recomend everyone research Nikola Tesla, the man that wanted to give the world free energy, except J.P. Morgan wasn't having that, why? again it threatened the percieved power of money. the I promise to pay on demands...... (empty promises)
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> Well people the time has come to say goodbye to it, and the time is now, more and more people are waking up to these facts, and nothing will be able to stop it.
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> Gulf Oil is NOT Fossil Fuel ! It is an Abiotic - Self Regenerating Compound!
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZClYNVhTxc
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> (I'm not condoning the use of oil, i'm simply stating the fact that the fear of it's depletion is simply another way to put the prices up) again we can see that money gets in the way of our full potential...
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> NWO Hoax Fraud BP Oil Spill False Flag Black Flag Op Mystery of the Disappearing Oil Solved
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPw0ee951Fg
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> Conspiracy of Science - Earth is in fact growing
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJfBSc6e7QQ&feature=player_embedded
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> Global Warming Hoax
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io-Tb7vTamY
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> apparently there is a link on the right hand side of that video that states that Al Gore is being sued by scientists for global warming fraud.......
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> more on here:
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> http://www.thecrowhouse.com/gw.html
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> the next one sounds Yummy don't you think?
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> Aspartame is Actually Excrement of Genetically Modified E. Coli
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4hMAdkzDis&feature=player_embedded#
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> Lets look at population in this series there is a calculation done on the amount of people living on this planet.
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8sMjOY8UQY&feature=related
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WHEyF9aPyM&NR=1
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p9YyBU5eS0&feature=related
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> now after looking at this, just what exactly is the Optimum Population Trust up to using trust law when they are simply sprouting absolute nonsense...
> http://www.optimumpopulation.org/
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> find out more on the Love Police channel you tube.
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> Still don't believe that the government, corporation and others are putting us in fear that there isn't abundance on this planet and that it is infinate?
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> here is a map of what the future of europe will be:
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> http://1.2.3.11/bmi/www.ukipwsx.org/images/arcmanche2.gif
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> http://www.ukipwsx.org/?EU_Regions:Arc_Manche
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> interesting isn't it?
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> and this is ukip: http://www.ukipwsx.org/
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> the thing is i'm not saying any political party is better, infact i don't believe in any of them including the greens,
> well, what else is green? money perhaps? it does seem like the new "green" is carbon tax no?
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> the future should be in everybodies hands, not just those in perceived positions of power
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> Ultimately no matter what happens the truth will be known
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> to be able to see the deception follow the money, to get the change we want to see do everything out of love, and get rid of money, because it is that which enslaves the globe.
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> --- On Wed, 11/10/10, Paul Mobbs<mobbsey at gn.apc.org>  wrote:
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> From: Paul Mobbs<mobbsey at gn.apc.org>
> Subject: [Diggers350] The tectonic plates of energy policy just moved! Did you notice?
> To: Envlist at yahoogroups.com, climate_change at foe.co.uk, diggers350 at yahoogroups.com, dan-cymru at lists.riseup.net
> Date: Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 8:29 PM
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> The world had a metanoic moment yesterday -- did you notice?
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> There has just been a major shift in the tectonic plates of global energy
> policy -- the earthquakes will be along when the world realises what it means!
> (curiously, in UK terms, the date was also 9/11!).
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> This is all related to the International Energy Agency's publication of the
> World Energy Outlook report which, FOR THE FIRST TIME, accepts that oil
> production will not rise in the future -- and this assumes that 'fields to be
> developed in the future' are able to plug the gap between the decline of
> existing fields and existing demand (a very unlikely scenario). For more detail
> see the Oil Drum's initial review -- http://www.theoildrum.com/node/7100
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> The IEA are even asking for a global climate deal in order to reduce oil
> demand and keep the price under control!!
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> For summaries and press releases see the IEA's web site --
> http://www.worldenergyoutlook.org/
> http://www.worldenergyoutlook.org/docs/weo2010/WEO2010_ES_English.pdf
> http://www.worldenergyoutlook.org/docs/weo2010/factsheets.pdf
> http://www.worldenergyoutlook.org/docs/weo2010/key_graphs.pdf
> http://www.worldenergyoutlook.org/docs/weo2010/press_release.pdf
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> NEEDLESS TO SAY, this news didn't make the lead on the main broadcast news
> (except for a small piece on BBC world news), either yesterday or today,
> despite the incredible shift that it represents and the doubt it creates about
> the global economy. I knew it was being published -- it's a regular event --
> so why the media myopia??
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> The trade press were interested:
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> Industrial Fuels and Power --
> http://www.ifandp.com/article/008061.html
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> Commodities Now:
> http://www.commodities-now.com/reports/power-and-energy/4067-world-energy-
> outlook-2010-released.html
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> Of the major news outlets few had coverage, except those skewed towards big
> business economics:
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> Wall Street Journal:
> http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20101109-715838.html
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> Kipp Report --
> http://www.kippreport.com/2010/11/iea-raises-oil-price-outlook-on-supply-
> uncertainty/
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> Of the mainstream UK media only the Indie and the Beeb had reports yesterday:
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> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8353840.stm
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> The Independent --
> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/iea-predicts-oil-breaking-200-
> by-2035-as-china-keeps-on-trucking-2129729.html
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> So, "the game's afoot!!". If the production of new capacity can't keep pace
> with the depletion rate -- as many analysts outside the IEA forecast -- then
> oil is now pretty much "officially" on it's way out.
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> If you want the 'easy listening' review of the IEA's forecasts, the following
> article is part of a series published by National Geographic yesterday --
> http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/environment/energy/great-energy-
> challenge/
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> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2010/11/101109-peak-oil-iea-
> world-energy-outlook/
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> Has the World Already Passed "Peak Oil"?
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> New analysis pegs 2006 as highpoint of conventional crude production
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> Mason Inman, National Geographic News, 9th November 2010
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> The year 2006 may be remembered for civil strife in Iraq, the nuclear weapon
> testing threat by North Korea, and the genocide in Darfur, but now it appears
> that another world event was occurring at the same time—without headlines, but
> with far-reaching consequence for all nations.
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> That’s the year that the world’s conventional oil production likely reached
> its peak, the International Energy Agency (IEA) in Vienna, Austria, said
> Tuesday.
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> According to the 25-year forecast in the IEA's latest annual World Energy
> Outlook, the most likely scenario is for crude oil production to stay on a
> plateau at about 68 to 69 million barrels per day.
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> In this scenario, crude oil production "never regains its all-time peak of 70
> million barrels per day reached in 2006," said IEA’s World Energy Outlook
> 2010.
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> In previous years, the IEA had predicted that crude oil production would
> continue to rise for at least another couple of decades.
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> Now, because of rising oil prices, declines in investment by the oil industry,
> and new commitments by some nations to cutting greenhouse gas emissions, the
> new forecast says oil production is likely to be lower than the IEA had
> expected.
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> End of Cheap Oil
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> The projected flat crude oil production doesn’t translate into an immediate
> shortage of fuels for the world’s cars and trucks. IEA actually projects that
> the total production of what it calls “petroleum fuels� is most likely to
> continue steadily rising, reaching about 99 million barrels per day by 2035.
>
> This growth in liquid fuels would come entirely from unconventional sources,
> including "natural gas liquids," which are created as a by-product of tapping
> natural gas reservoirs.
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> The consequences for the world’s energy consumers of this increased reliance
> on natural gas liquids and other unconventional fuels are stark.
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> "The age of cheap oil is over," said Fatih Birol, IEA chief economist.
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> "If the consuming nations do not make major efforts to slow down the oil demand
> growth, we will see higher oil prices," Birol said, "which we think is not
> good news for the economies of the consuming nations."
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> IEA was set up by most of the world's industrialized countries after the 1970s
> world oil crises to analyze the world’s energy situation and advise them on
> policy.
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> The closely watched most-likely scenario, which the IEA calls the "New
> Policies Scenario," assumes that countries stick to the commitments they have
> made in the past couple of years to cut greenhouse gas emissions.
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> But even under IEA’s so-called "business-as-usual" scenario, without the
> projected efforts to cut fossil fuel pollution, oil production would be
> significantly lower in 20 years' time than the IEA had forecast even just a few
> years ago.
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> Oil production might rise marginally under the "business-as-usual" scenario,
> the report said, but supplies would be short enough to send oil prices soaring
> to double today’s level.
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> Fighting Decline
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> A major reason for the rising prices and flatlining production is that for "the
> currently producing fields of crude oil, the production will decline," Birol
> said.
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> Today's active oil fields produce about 70 million barrels per day, but by
> 2035, he said, "they will produce less than 20 million barrels per day of
> oil."
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> Just to keep crude oil production flat would require much more production from
> new oil fields—including those discovered but not yet developed, and others
> still to be discovered.
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> The IEA forecasts that Saudi Arabia—the largest producer—would boost its
> production by 50 percent, and that Iraq would nearly triple its production.
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> Maintaining this plateau would require massive investment in the oil industry,
> the report estimated, about $8 trillion over the next 25 years.
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> Also, in the IEA's main scenario, production from "tar sands," also known as
> “oil sands,� found mainly in Canada and Venezuela, would triple in the next 25
> years.
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> However, these unconventional sources are generally more expensive and harder
> on the environment, the IEA said.
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> Tar sands "mining operations have a large impact on the landscape," the report
> said, requiring forests to be cleared, and large "tailing ponds" to collect
> the toxic runoff from tar sands processing.
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> Tar sands have a bigger climate footprint than conventional oil, with larger
> greenhouse gas emissions for the whole life cycle, from "well-to-wheels," the
> new report said.
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> Barrel for barrel, the IEA said, oil from tar sands would create 5 to 15
> percent more emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2), the principal greenhouse gas
> causing global warming.
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> Looking at the reasons for the plateau in crude oil production, “it’s clear
> that it’s a mixture of above-ground and below-ground factors,� said Guy
> Caruso, former head of the U.S. Energy Information Agency, and now at the
> Center for Strategic and International Studies, a think tank in Washington,
> D.C.
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> “It’s partly geological resource limitations,� Caruso said. “There’s decline
> that we’re fighting in the older fields,� in which production has fallen faster
> than had been expected.
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> But there are also “areas like Venezuela, Iraq, Kazakhstan, and Nigeria, where
> we know the oil is there,� but political turmoil and other issues have kept
> production far below the potential, he said.
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> When all the factors are taken into account, the trend is toward rising oil
> prices, Caruso said. Oil-consuming nations can cope with this if the price
> rises smoothly, but he added, “what economies have a hard time dealing with is
> a spike like we had in 2008, when oil reached nearly $150 a barrel, and then
> dropped back down again.�
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