[Diggers350] 300,000 jobs we can pay for

Sun Nov 28 19:44:03 GMT 2010

You cannot feed workers with pound notes in billions.
Queen, £500,000, Prince Charles £500,000.  Withdraw their benefits cheques .What will happen?
Myths about food production.
There is  marginal connectiion between growing wheat in EU and feeding the  world.
That is not the motivation for the western economy.  If it was we would have ended world poverty fifty years ago 
Farmers dont grow food (only)
 Wheat is used for bio-fuels, for pet food, for feeding stock, before the  CAP subsidy the scam of the  CAP regime  producerd  a large 'surplus' of EU- produced wheat, wine, milk ....which was  dumped
- anywhere would do.  dumpng it cheaply  in the third world ruined small farmers there.
Before starvation kicks in we will slaughter all the (20million?)  pet cats and dogs - they eat so much. We will eat the 900,000 useless pet ponies, we will increase veg in our diet and reduce  meat eating ...stop paying RSPB £3million CAP  each year,  Have you heard any discussion of this? Me too. .
'Food security' scare tactics are over- used by NFU and the land lobby to scare the  uninformed non land-owning no farming public (me and you).
EU wheat is currently  more expensive than world prices for wheat.
EU  duties on imports hit third world priducers. I attended a conference in Delhi at the Nehru Institute where the Indian Mnister of Ag
was in despair at the EU farm subsidies.
Also UK food prices are increased because of EU subsidies.
Increasing food production in UK is not on the government radar. They are focussed on rewarding  landowners since
l-o's have a strangle hold on the constitution - monarchy, lords and landowning M.P.s , our political economic strategy is based on rising house prices which is based on rising land values which is achieved (and secretly since  99% of us dont own bulk land) by giving unnecessary benefit cheques to rich bustards who thrive in corn prairies.
Why should we not import whest when its cheap? It only takes 6 months to change policy and grow it again when needed. 
James 


> To: dan at gaiapro.co.uk
> CC: chapter7 at tlio.org.uk; diggers350 at yahoogroups.com
> From: ilyan.thomas at virgin.net
> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 18:51:19 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Diggers350] 300,000 jobs we can pay for
> 
> It is no good saving jobs if there isnt the food to feed the workers.
> 
> THe spectre of starvation stalks the world. The USA funds the 
> destruction of the Amazon Rainforest which will bring drought to the US 
> middle west. Oz is drying.
> 
> People in reciept of EU subs are planting now to provide food long after 
> they will be dead, unfortunately the EU itself is not active in that 
> direction.
> 
> A question. If the whole of Sahara turned into rainforest with filled 
> aquifers, how much would the sea level drop.
> 
> Ilyan
> 
> 
> 
> On 28/11/2010 17:14, Dan Powell wrote:
> > James
> > Thanks for all your mails over the last months regarding CAP payments. It
> > is absolutely right that public money paid from the public CAP purse be
> > publicised on the web for all to peruse. HOWEVER.............I am not sure
> > I completely share your view that all recipients are rich bastards.
> > Undoubtedly many are, and a much bandied about statistic regarding the
> > proportion of payments paid i.e. 80% of payments go to 10% of recipients,
> > is also probably true and endorses your view. But this means that 80% of
> > farmers are only receiving 10% of the CAP budget and your scrapping of the
> > scheme in total, may well hurt many of the type of farmers that you may
> > want to actually support. As with all centralised political support, CAP
> > payments are a very blunt instrument that sets out to achieve some kind of
> > indirect market support to rural incomes. In my experience with small
> > family farms in the UK the CAP payment almost always equals about the farm
> > business profit where no other income is typically available to the
> > business. Termination or serious capping of the payment will effect a huge
> > change to these type of businesses that also tend to be in the more
> > marginal areas of the UK (west and uplands. This may not be the case with
> > large farm businesses (typically in the southern and Eastern areas) where
> > it represents another (taxable) income stream to the business.
> > You may know already that the CAP is undergoing as we write, the latest in
> > a number of reforms that have shifted the emphasis of the CAP from
> > production support to area and environmentally tied support. This has been
> > going on in one form or another for about 20 years or so with the EU
> > embarrassed by the amount the CAP has usually taken up of the EU budget as
> > a whole.
> > I whole-heartedly agree with you that farm businesses that do not need the
> > CAP payment due to being either very successful farms (not many I suspect)
> > or by having other income streams (very many) should not benefit from the
> > CAP.
> > However I do worry about the 80% above of whom many will face extinction
> > without some kind of support, mainly due to the fact that the raw material
> > they use for their business - the land -  is not as flat, inherently
> > fertile or simply easier to rationalise, as most of the 10% of the above.
> > Means tested, capped CAP payments may be a way forward if we are to avoid
> > as Simon says, cheap imports from abroad or significant price hikes in
> > food prices.
> > regards
> >
> >
> > Dan Powell
> >
> >
> >> If we scrap CAP subsidies  the majority of our food will be imported
> >> form the North America, Australia/NZ  and developing countries.
> >>
> >> The problem is not the subsidies (though tariffs would be better) —
> >> they are needed to make UK  farming viable in a competitive
> >> capitalist market.  The problem is the concentration of land in large
> >> farms.
> >>
> >> Simon
> >>
> >> On 27 Nov 2010, at 15:46, james armstrong wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> 300,000 jobs at the  minimum wage £12,000 p.a. can be saved if we
> >>> scrap CAP payments.costing £3.9billion .p.a. write your MP and ask,
> >>> Does your family receive CAP payments? How much?,  Then I'll
> >>> publish them all  on a web site and campaign to stop this madness
> >>> of secret
> >>> payments to rich bustards .
> >>> James
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> 
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