re Simon's book: Militant vegans' Walt Disney Nazi mindset

Tony Gosling diggers350 at
Wed Oct 13 14:19:43 BST 2010

Militant veganism and the Walt Disney Nazi mindset

A small fundamentalist section of the vegan fringe believes animal lives have the same intrinsic value as human lives. 
Their 'logic' runs like this: If we stop killing animals the resulting lift in 'spiritual consciousness' will also stop present and future wars. But this is the opposite of the truth. 
This ignores the fact that human beings are of another order of responsibility and conciousness to animals. 
Firstly this is an abrogation of human responsibility to care for the planet and, perhaps more importantly, it is the same philosophy promoted by Hitler and his spiritual mentor Heinrich Himmler who believed principles of Neo-Pagan 'nature worship', eugenics and 'survival of the fittest'.
The real reason for war of course has nothing to do with any 'lack of caring for animals' but is based around converging private greed interests of: 
1. The modern military industrial complex, including new Private Military Companies (PMCs) such as Blackwater, MPRI etc. who are regularly changing their company names to avoid scrutiny.
2. Massive war machinery investors such as the Carlyle Group (with former UK PM John Major) and 
3. The co-option of the mass media, news wire services by the military and their friends in te City of London to peddle lies about the Taliban not being 'freedom fighters', lies about CIA agent Osama Bin Laden carrying out the 9/11 attacks.
4. General profits to be had from violation of sovreignty and theft of resources. 
5. An infiltrated and weakened United Nations. 

Whilst all unnecessary animal cruelty is to be avoided this is a Walt Disney style anthropomorphisic argument that if we stop eating meat war will cease is simply deluded. Let's not forget either Disney's association with the Nazis.
Maybe if we rein back the free market and enforce and regulate the livestock industry as people like the Marshioness of Worcester (Tracy Worcester) are caling for and stop crowing about if you kill a rabbit you kill a human. We can really make a difference to animal welfare.

Exactly! he has a blind spot which allows him to live with this contradiction 
because to admit it would mean he is not the empathetic person he wants to 
believe himself to be. And as he ironically points out himself  in the article, 
the stronger the idea a person has of themselves as just, the greater the effort 
to dismiss any information that undermines this idea of oneself. Hence the 
extreme defensive reaction of many human rights campaigners to the realities of 
the cruelty of eating meat. 

From: Mark Barrett <marknbarrett at>
To: project2012 at; civilisation at; 
diggers350 at; Politics and Spirit Network 
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Sent: Wed, 13 October, 2010 14:10:34
Subject: [project2012] Re: Monbiot on Veg

Er, which one is it George?

"We should argue for the policies we want not on the grounds of expediency but 
on the grounds that they are empathetic and kind; and against others on the 
grounds that they are selfish and cruel. In asserting our values we become the 
change we want to see."

>I was wrong about veganism. Let them eat meat – but farm it properly
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