[Diggers350] highly educated and politicised under 25s
Tony Gosling
tony at cultureshop.org.uk
Sat Jun 30 19:16:43 BST 2012
Money only has the crooked power it does.....
See Bill Still's long doc The Money Masters
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936 and
The Secret of Oz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swkq2E8mswI
after the land has been stolen from under the population.
Which is why no kind of 'clever' land tax system
such as LVT can ever put things right.
The answer is land for all.
The common treasury is not in Whitehall .... ;-)
Remember this recent posting with its incredibel pictures?
Is Kowloon the end result of Land Value Tax (LVT)?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Diggers350/message/4186
Tony
At 14:09 29/06/2012, you wrote:
>The Monetary system is the injustice
>Untill this is realized and acted upon by all
>all our efforts at holding onto present freedoms will be futile
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:tony at cultureshop.org.uk>Tony Gosling
>To: <mailto:dave.bangs at virgin.net>david bangs ;
><mailto:TheLandIsOurs at yahoogroups.com>TheLandIsOurs at yahoogroups.com
>; <mailto:diggers350 at yahoogroups.com>Massimo
>Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 11:45 AM
>Subject: [Diggers350] highly educated and politicised under 25s
>
>Well I agree.
>Just look around our towns and cities at all the
>empty land and commercial property
>Criminal.
>But how do you spend the night in a far off town
>or in a B&B without finding a 'landlord' first?
>The present injustices being meted out on under 25s particularly
>who are being scapegoated in the vilest fashion
>Like a parasite destroying the very bones of its host
>Stems from the 'legal' theft of land under the
>guise of 'efficiency' through enclosure which accellerated after the civil war
>We can only deal with this through land redistribution can't we?
>Robert Kett had it right - to lock up the
>landlords for stealing the land - as we should
>be doing with all the Barclays bosses today.
>Barbara Tucker from Parliament square has it
>spot on too when she says this is simplyt about the rule of law.
>Theft is theft
>a war crime is a war crime
>I suppose Britain was the first into the
>industrial age - now we are going to have to find the way out!
>Against the odds of all those vested interests
>who want to keep playing on the golf courses to
>which they have become accustomed.
>Tony
>
>
>
>At 22:48 26/06/2012, david bangs wrote:
>>Just in a historical vein, Tony, I'm not sure
>>"enclosure is the fundamental injustice".
>>
>>Farmed landscapes outside lowland England (and
>>some within lowland England, like my own
>>Wealden landscape) were always largely enclosed
>>in medieval times, as they have been since.
>>
>>Of course, the footprint of common 'wastes' was
>>vastly greater, but the tilled land and improved pasturage
>> was always mostly enclosed outside lowland England, in those times.
>>
>>I think landlordism, in both its feudal and
>>capitalist forms, was always the fundamental
>>injustice...the theft of the value of the landworkers' labour...
>>
>>Gerard Winstanley chose the right target,
>>politically (commercial landlords enclosing
>>common wastes and open fields) but he got the
>>history a bit cock-eyed. (Sorry, Gerard, no offence !)
>>
>>Dave Bangs
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:tony at cultureshop.org.uk>Tony Gosling
>>To:
>><mailto:TheLandIsOurs at yahoogroups.com>TheLandIsOurs at yahoogroups.com
>>; <mailto:diggers350 at yahoogroups.com>Massimo
>>Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 9:06 PM
>>Subject: [Diggers350] Land reclamation militia
>>of highly educated and politicised under 25s
>>Mmmmmm,
>>Enclosure is the fundamental injustice that
>>needs addressing however it's done.
>>Post enclosure and post war the benefits system
>>is state compensation for stolen land.
>>As you may have noticed all the least fit,
>>healthy and unskilled landless are having this compensation withdrawn.
>>Like with pensions a robbery is going on
>>championed by, hooked on money like cocaine,
>>fascist PM Cameron and his city backers, the merchants of greed.
>>TLIO could kick up a gear by entering this debate all guns blazing.
>>Organising a land reclamation militia of highly
>>educated and politicised under 25s for action.
>>Tony
>>At 15:03 24/06/2012, Malcolm Ramsay wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi Brendan,
>>>I agree with Dave and Beck; the Enclosures
>>>aren't a good target. The only reason they
>>>have any relevance today is because
>>>inheritance law operates for private benefit
>>>rather than the public good, in violation of a
>>>fundamental principle of law. I've pointed
>>>this out in previous posts (which I don't
>>>think you've ever responded to) on this list
>>>and the Diggers350 list, and it's something
>>>which most people recognise is wrong .... but
>>>currently don't seem inclined to challenge.
>>>This is something which can be changed through
>>>the courts as well as through Parliament, and
>>>it would lead to rapid change. Why don't you
>>>try and get people stirred up about that?
>>>Malcolm
>>>
>>>From: Brendan Boal <b_m_boal at yahoo.com>
>>>To: "TheLandIsOurs at yahoogroups.com" <TheLandIsOurs at yahoogroups.com>
>>>Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012, 13:15
>>>Subject: Re: [TheLandIsOurs] ACTS OF
>>>ENCLOSURE: Proposed TLIO C.A.P./Land Ownership leaflet
>>>Hi Beck,
>>>Thanks for your contribution.
>>>If anyone can come up with a succinct way of
>>>pointing out that most of the land in the
>>>country has been stolen, we'd like it back and
>>>"this is how" we'd like to get it back, I'd be
>>>more than happy to take the input.
>>>If you want to have a go, please bear in mind
>>>that this is a leaflet not an article and,
>>>therefore, we cannot go into detailed
>>>political arguments or use obscure
>>>polysyables. In fact, if anyone can do this in
>>>a way which is brief, to the point and perhaps
>>>even a little elegant, I'll be very chuffed.
>>>Also remember that whereas TLIO is radical, we
>>>are not to be party-political, having as we
>>>do, a variety of political stances within our
>>>ranks, so solutions need to be credible but not to prescriptive.
>>>Brendan.
>>>
>>>
>>>From: Beck Woodrow <beck.woodrow at pc-q.net>
>>>To: TheLandIsOurs at yahoogroups.com
>>>Cc: david bangs <dave.bangs at virgin.net>
>>>Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012, 11:45
>>>Subject: Re: [TheLandIsOurs] ACTS OF
>>>ENCLOSURE: Proposed TLIO C.A.P./Land Ownership leaflet
>>>Cautiously joining in for the first time here,
>>>but I agree that (although it could be good
>>>fun!) no good and no chance to rewrite old
>>>history - so maybe mention some new ideas like community land trusts?
>>>all the best
>>>Beck
>>>On 24/06/2012 00:28, david bangs wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>If TLIO core group put forward one version of
>>>>a draft leaflet for approval/critique to the
>>>>wider TLIO supporters then they ought also to
>>>>put forward at least the other main texts
>>>>critical of it, so's folk can see how the
>>>>debate has gone. That is a democratic norm, I would argue.
>>>>Apart from the other comments I have made to
>>>>the core group on this draft leaflet there's
>>>>one further anachronism that strikes me as
>>>>especially bizarre...that is, the leaflet's
>>>>statement that "An ideal place to start would
>>>>be by overturning the many, blatantly
>>>>corrupt, 'Acts of Enclosure' that are the
>>>>legal basis for much of this continuing (land) theft".
>>>>The acts of enclosure referred to constitute
>>>>more than 200 years pre-1900 of private and
>>>>public legislation on an extremely detailed
>>>>basis...parish by parish, manor by manor,
>>>>common and open field by common and open field...
>>>>The landscapes that the enclosure acts refer
>>>>to have changed, then changed and changed
>>>>again since the political conflicts which engendered these acts.
>>>>The issues which were fought over during the
>>>>centuries of enclosure are long
>>>>redundant...rights and systems of pasturage,
>>>>wood, turf and furze collecting, mineral
>>>>rights and timber and fishing rights, and
>>>>ancient systems of open field cultivation.
>>>>These issues - in those forms - are as dead as the dodo.
>>>>There is no other collective demand being
>>>>made for this anywhere else in the labour
>>>>movement, the land justice movement, or the environmental movement.
>>>>I think we must do better than re-hashing the
>>>>dead politics of two centuries ago.
>>>>...And I write as someone who has attempted
>>>>to register a major lost common, opposed
>>>>encroachments upon common land, and is actively defending commons...
>>>>Dave Bangs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: <mailto:b_m_boal at yahoo.com>Brendan Boal
>>>>To: <mailto:TheLandIsOurs at yahoogroups.com>TheLandIsOurs at yahoogroups.com
>>>>Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 12:22 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [TheLandIsOurs] Re: Proposed
>>>>TLIO C.A.P./Land Ownership leaflet
>>>>Thanks for the feedback, especially about
>>>>small farms.Maybe I'll expunge an adjective
>>>>or two. The target audience is people
>>>>attending the Tolpuddle festival, so not
>>>>exactly the general public but not TLIO crew
>>>>either. Some people think it's a little wordy
>>>>and whereas I think it could be trimmed a
>>>>little, the complete message just won't go in 5/600 words.
>>>>Brendan.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>From:
>>>><mailto:bewcastleminster at ymail.com>"bewcastleminster at ymail.com"
>>>><mailto:bewcastleminster at ymail.com><bewcastleminster at ymail.com>
>>>>To: <mailto:TheLandIsOurs at yahoogroups.com>TheLandIsOurs at yahoogroups.com
>>>>Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012, 17:35
>>>>Subject: [TheLandIsOurs] Re: Proposed TLIO C.A.P./Land Ownership leaflet
>>>>Who is the target audience for this leaflet?
>>>>If it is the general public the overuse of
>>>>heavily emotive language (unconscionable,
>>>>monstrous, dreadful etc) will not win
>>>>sympathy, and will end up detracting from the
>>>>otherwise extremely powerful message. If just
>>>>TLIO folk, then its playing to the gallery.
>>>>Also, statements like "Yet in productivity
>>>>per acre, small, mixed farms beat big-scale
>>>>mono-cultures hands-down" are highly
>>>>contentious without evidence or support in a
>>>>document about European (British)
>>>>agriculture. And to say 75% of the world is
>>>>fed by indigenous farmers begs the question
>>>>"but is it?" given there are such high
>>>>numbers who remain malnourished. But I'm not
>>>>sure dropping in statistics about indigenous
>>>>agriculture in the 3rd world (sorry about
>>>>lack of PC) helps in any case. I thoroughly
>>>>agree with the point about small farms, I
>>>>just don't think it's well made in this paragraph.
>>>>The actual business of returning land to
>>>>smallholders and commons should reference the
>>>>work pioneered in Scotland by McIntosh et al.
>>>>showing that, astonishingly, it actually can
>>>>be achieved in an even more entrenched country than England.
>>>>Otherwise, some really powerful points in there. Thank you.
>>>>Rob
>>>>--- In
>>>><mailto:TheLandIsOurs at yahoogroups.com>TheLandIsOurs at yahoogroups.com,
>>>>Brendan Boal <mailto:b_m_boal at ...><b_m_boal at ...> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi Folks,
>>>> >
>>>> > I've been working on a proposed TLIO
>>>> leaflet dealing with how Common Agricultural
>>>> Policy payments support land monopoly in the UK. Comments please!
>>>> >
>>>> > Brendan.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>------------------------------------
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>Die Pride and Envie; Flesh, take the poor's advice.
>>Covetousnesse be gon: Come, Truth and Love arise.
>>Patience take the Crown; throw Anger out of dores:
>>Cast out Hypocrisie and Lust, which follows whores:
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>Fear not therefore: for there is nothing covered
>that shall not be revealed; and nothing hid that
>shall not be made known. What I tell you in
>darkness, that speak ye in the light and what ye
>hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops. Matthew 10:26-27
>Die Pride and Envie; Flesh, take the poor's advice.
>Covetousnesse be gon: Come, Truth and Love arise.
>Patience take the Crown; throw Anger out of dores:
>Cast out Hypocrisie and Lust, which follows whores:
>Then England sit in rest; Thy sorrows will have end;
>Thy Sons will live in peace, and each will be a friend.
>http://tinyurl.com/6ct7zh6
>
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Fear not therefore: for there is nothing covered
that shall not be revealed; and nothing hid that
shall not be made known. What I tell you in
darkness, that speak ye in the light and what ye
hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops. Matthew 10:26-27
Die Pride and Envie; Flesh, take the poor's advice.
Covetousnesse be gon: Come, Truth and Love arise.
Patience take the Crown; throw Anger out of dores:
Cast out Hypocrisie and Lust, which follows whores:
Then England sit in rest; Thy sorrows will have end;
Thy Sons will live in peace, and each will be a friend.
http://tinyurl.com/6ct7zh6
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