Re: [Diggers350] Prince Charles’s 10 questionable principles
Zardoz Greek
zardos777 at yahoo.co.uk
Sun Dec 28 13:09:48 GMT 2014
Hi Simon
I realise you may have had a few jars when you wrote this.
And it may be to provoke discussion a bit but....
Am I the only one wondering why criticism of the Guardian has morphed into criticism of me?
The only one to wonder why our legitimate criticism of the Duke of Westminster's pal & man to inherit more land than anyone on earth has become "hatred"?
And whether your private audience with Prince Charles, or any similar 'off the record' 'Chatham House rules' relations since 2000 or so that I'm not aware of, has somewhat clouded your better judgement... when it comes to being a voice to genuinely restore peoples' land rights FOR EVERYONE in feudal Britain where the poor are now being ground into the dirt by his Tory chums?
Don't forget the monarchy spends millions on PR & influential charities, foundations etc to influence opinion formers like us. Then still asks for more millions to do up palaces
Meanwhile.....
UK Welfare Reform Deaths near 100 ~ Updated List ~ October 21st 2014
Posted on October 21, 2014 by John McArdle
http://blacktrianglecampaign.org/2014/10/21/uk-welfare-reform-deaths-updated-list-october-21st-2014/
and this is raging in case you hadn't noticed
The 'black spider' memos: Government’s last-ditch bid to keep Prince Charles’ letters secret
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/the-black-spider-memos-governments-lastditch-bid-to-keep-prince-charles-letters-secret-9880700.html
Come on - open your eyes and get on the right side of history 'cos I don't see ANY of our vision AT ALL anywhere on even one of Charles' vast estates - if you don't think that's the point you may as well bury your head in 'Harmony'.
Tony
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On Sun, 28/12/14, Simon Fairlie chapter7 at tlio.org.uk [Diggers350] <Diggers350-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Diggers350] Prince Charles’s 10 principles for architecture – and 10 much better ones
To: diggers350 at yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 28 December, 2014, 4:37
Thjs article and its posting on diggers by the moderator of
the site is a manifestation of an obsessive dislike of
Prince Charles rather than any reasoned assessment of what
is happening to our metropolitan architecture.
The Guardian has it in for Prince Charles
because it has persisted in employing trendy, sports car
driving, architecture correspondents who spend all their
column inches puffing up the phallocratic erections of
their neo-brutalist heros.
The
esteemed moderator of this site has always manifested a
perversely over-exaggerated hatred of Prince Charles, whom
some of us have a little bit of respect for because he is
the only hippie head of state we, or anyone else, is ever
likely to get.
To
blame Prince Charles for No 1 Poultry is perverse. Charles
opposed the criminal demolition of the magnificent Mappin
and Webb flat iron building on the site, by Palumbo, and
anything erected on this site in replacement was bound to be
inferior. See a pic of the Mappin and Webb building on
wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mappin_%26_Webb
The climax of the Guardian's
anti Charles campaign came when they accused the Prince of
meddling in the banal redevelopment of Chelsea barracks by
the Qatari royal family. According to the Guardian it was OK
for Qatari royals to dictate what happens to the London
skyline, but not for UK royals to object.http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jun/25/chelsea-barracks-trial-prince-charles
Simon
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6DQ01297 561359chapter7 at tlio.org.uk
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On 28 Dec 2014, at 02:04,
Zardoz Greek zardos777 at yahoo.co.uk
[Diggers350] wrote:
Prince
Charles’s 10 principles for architecture – and
10 much better oneshttp://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2014/dec/27/prince-charles-10-principles-architecture-10-better-ones
He’s
infuriated architects for more than 30 years – but
Prince Charles’s new set of rules for architectural
practice might be his silliest intervention yetPrince
Charles visit to Poundbury, Dorset, Britain A
spurious notion of What People Really Want …Prince
Charles in Poundbury, the housing development he created in
Dorset. Photograph: Paul Grover/REXDouglas
MurphySaturday
27 December 2014 08.30 GMT
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unpleasant sense of deja vu occurs every time HRH The Prince
of Wales comes down from Balmoral to pipe up about
contemporary architecture. For more than 30 years now,
he’s been the bane of the architectural profession,
wielding his accidental power to influence the design not
only of individual buildings and projects, but the entire
debate about what architecture is, who it is for and what it
should look like. So when the Architectural Review recently
published his series of 10 principles for architecture, it
was hard to know whether to go apoplectic or simply roll
one’s eyes: “It’s that man again …
â€
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It
all began with what should have been an innocuous
after-dinner speech, when Charles was invited to address the
Royal Institute for British Architects’ 150th
anniversary dinner on 30 May 1984. But instead of
congratulating them all for doing such a jolly good job, he
took the opportunity to excoriate the profession and their
modern designs, with his immortal description of the
proposed extension to the National Gallery in London as a
“monstrous carbuncle on the face of a much-loved and
elegant friendâ€. What was remarkable was not so much the
ferocity of the Prince’s attack, but its success: the
design for the extension was dumped, and the career of its
architects, ABK, nosedived. In its place, a jokey and quite
flimsy fake-classical design by Venturi Scott-Brown stands
there today.
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In
the same speech, the prince managed to kill off an office
block by the legendary German architect Mies van der Rohe,
which was to be situated near the Bank of England; instead
we got the garishly postmodern No 1 Poultry building by
Stirling/Wilford. Later, in 1987, Charles criticised a
scheme for Paternoster Square next to St Paul’s
Cathedral by his bete noir Richard Rogers, saying “you
have to give this much to the Luftwaffe, when it knocked
down our buildings, it didn’t replace them with
anything more offensive than rubbleâ€. Rogers’
scheme was quickly dropped.
No
1 Poultry city of london Prince
Charles’s interference led to the cancellation of a
new Mies Van Der Rohe building in the City of London;
instead, we got the garishly postmodern No 1 Poultry.
Photograph: AlamyOver
subsequent years, in publications such as his Vision for
Britain, Charles gave us his eccentrically hyperbolic
opinions on other modern designs: John Madin’s
Birmingham Central Library of 1974 (now sadly being
demolished) looked like “a place where books are
incinerated, not keptâ€, while the British Library by
Colin St John Wilson was “more like the assembly hall
of an academy for secret policeâ€. This would all be
rather entertaining if it weren’t for the fact that,
over the years, Charles has thrown his royal privilege
around with total abandon, most recently getting directly in
touch with the Qatari royal family to get Richard Rogers
– who by this point had been m ade Baron Rogers of
Riverside – thrown off the project to redevelop the
Chelsea Barracks.
But
it wasn’t just his power that made Charles’
polemics hit home: they coincided with Britain’s
great lurch to the right. By the time Charles was making his
pleas for traditional design based upon “timelessâ€
principles, the dismantling of the welfare consensus of the
postwar world was in full swing. Rejecting modern
architecture went hand-in-hand with fighting the unions,
deregulating the planned economy, smashing industry and
rejecting the spectre of socialism that had almost ruined
Britain. During this time Charles surrounded himself with a
posse of traditionalist oddballs such as Quinlan Terry, who
believes classical architecture is an expression of
“divine orderâ€, and Leon Krier, much of whose
career has been spent trying to redeem the decidedly
mediocre neo-classical architecture of Albert Speer, the
Nazi minister for armaments during the second world
war.
Charles
and his friends like to portray themselves as the underdogs,
as victims of a leftie conspiracy of inhumane modernism, but
they couldn’t be more well connected, and their
polemics in favour of twee cottage architecture resonate
strongly with a public taste for the picturesque and
sentimental, and the spurious notion of What People Really
Want. Indeed, despite protestations to its radicalism, the
Prince’s own housing development of Poundbury in
Dorset is itself more or less indistinguishable from any
number of Noddy-house developments up and down the
country.
The
now-condemned Birmingham Central Library The
now-condemned Birmingham Central Library is just the kind of
modernist building Prince Charles set himself against in the
late 1980s. Photograph: AlamySo
what is he saying now, in his 10 points for
“sustainable†urban growth? Well, it’s
essentially a mix of the sensible, the tautological and the
downright sinister. The opening gambit is strong: not only
is the Prince not interested in “turning the clock
back to some Golden Ageâ€, but his thoughts and ideas
about architecture are all about the challenges of the
future, of housing the 3 billion extra people projected to
be on the planet by 2050, and housing them in a sustainable,
resilient manner. If we are to achieve this, he believes, we
are going to have to rediscover traditional approaches to
architecture, which developed over millennia, and were
abandoned in a so-called “progressive†modern
age.
The
prince believes in certain things that have become truisms
in architecture and planning, things even Richard Rogers
would agree with: that the dominance of the car in the
late-20th century was a terrible development, and that in
fact the pedestrian street is the most important artery
connecting the different mixes of uses and functions within
a community. As a result, urban density – once
considered one of the primary sources of slum misery
– is definitely in. Charles himself offers Kensington
and Chelsea as an example of high-quality, high-density
urbanism, but then, he would say that, wouldn’t
he?
He
is on shakier ground when he emphasises that buildings must
“relate to human proportionsâ€, a statement so
obvious it is essentially meaningless – even the
tallest skyscraper has human-sized WC cubicles, after all.
What he means is that architecture should return to the
harmonic principles of the classical orders of ancient
architecture, themselves inspired by the sacred geometry of
what Charles insists on calling “natureâ€. Here
we’re in more sinister territory. According to
Charles, nature’s order is “innately
beautifulâ€, the harmonic and geometrical division of
circles “displays the order which is sacred to all
thingsâ€, and this language, this geometric grammar,
“communicates directly to people by resonating with
their true beingâ€. In this scheme, the geometric rose
windows of a medieval cathedral, as “physical
manifestations of the Divine order of the universeâ€, are
inherently beautiful – but are we also to
understand that the
concrete windows of Le Corbusier’s brutalist La
Tourette monastery, themselves designed in accordance with a
mathematical harmonic system, are also beautiful? I
wouldn’t bet on it.
Corbusier's
Monastery of la Tourette Corbusier’s
La Tourette Monastery was designed in accordance with a
mathematical harmonic system, which is just the kind of
thing Prince Charles espouses – but would he approve
of this example? Photograph: Philippe Merle/AFPIn
the end, what it boils down to for HRH the Prince of Wales
is that designing according to nature’s order fulfils
humanity on the “physical, communal, cultural and
spiritual levelsâ€. But he is disingenuously silent about
why “traditional†architecture was superseded in
the first place. What he wishes to ignore is that, since the
industrial revolution, the human environment has changed,
for ever. New building technologies such as steel and glass
superseded stone and timber construction, allowing for new
kinds of building for which there was literally no
precedent. New modes of transit such as the railway changed
the way humans experienced space and time, while the
circulatory potential of the industrialised world allowed
for global capitalism to develop. The modern architecture
that the Prince hates so much became dominant after the war
not only because it was cheaper and more efficient than
traditional methods, but also because it embodied
a modern
world that actively wanted to cast off the traditional past
– a past that had culminated in the carnage of the
world wars.
At
the end of the day, architecture doesn’t change the
world, but it offers us a picture of how people see
themselves in it. In the 20th century, it was considered
preposterous to build traditionally in an industrialised
world that was exploring space, developing computers, and
feeding and educating its people like never before; indeed,
it’s telling that modern architecture only became
discredited when the crises of the 1970s kicked in and
progress itself was put in doubt. When Charles blasts modern
architecture, he is essentially blasting the historical
processes set in motion by the industrial revolution, and
lamenting the diminution of his royal power in the world
that it brought about. His dreams of traditionally designed
cities are dreams of a world where people forever know their
place.
Charles’s
10 key principles …•
Developments must respect the land
•
Architecture is a language
•
Scale is also key
•
Harmony: neighbouring buildings ‘in tune’ but
not uniform
•
The creation of well-designed enclosures
•
Materials also matter: local wood beats imported
aluminium
•
Limit signage
•
Put the pedestrian at the centre of the design
process
•
Space is at a premium – but no high-rises
•
Build flexibility in
…
and Douglas Murphy’s•
The city belongs to everyone
Public
space gets ever more murkily private; we need to redress the
balance of who owns what. It’s people like the Prince
that stand to lose out.
•
Your home is not a castle
We’d
be a far more equal and civilised island if the desire for
home ownership wasn’t pandered to at every
turn.
•
Architecture is not a language
The
idea of an underlying grammar to architecture implies urban
life peaked in the piazzas of Renaissance Florence –
a period of pestilence, gangster princes and public
executions.
•
But architecture can still be read
Buildings
have no language. But the mightiest palace and the tiniest
shed can tell us how those who build see the world and their
place in it.
•
Mimesis is not mimicry
Talented
architects can work with classical traditions in
contemporary architecture. It’s unlikely Charles
would recognise this if he saw it.
•
Honesty is still a virtue
The
architectural era Charles helped usher in was filled with
inane jokes and frivolous nonsense. Architecture
doesn’t need to be fun.
•
The street isn’t everything
It’s
right that the importance of the street is recognised, but
we must avoid turning city centres into identical forests of
privatised space.
•
Nature is not our friend
On
respecting nature, let us quote Werner Herzog: “There
is a harmony [to nature] – it is the harmony of
overwhelming and collective murderâ€.
•
Harmony involves dissonance
Cities
must improve their interactions with the natural world. This
does not mean architecture must copy natural forms; rather
it must reconcile itself with cycles of energy and
material.
Change
is coming
The
next century will be pivotal for humanity, and architecture
will play a huge role. Cute cottages with nice local
stonework won’t help.
•
Douglas Murphy is the author of The Architecture of
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gruniadreader6663h
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01looking
at the picture above it doesn't appear to have one
resident under the age of 60 or who isn't achingly
middle class. Its a Ghetto for the Daily Mail reading,
strictly consuming and tory voting barbarians who wish to
strangle civilisation with bunting and drown it in
tea.
One
wonders if we should in fact look to the past for our urban
design and construct walls around our cities to keep these
kind of people beyond the pale where they belong.
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01I'm
delighted Charles continues to pour his ignorance and
meddling almost exclusively into architecture. The more time
he spends pissing in your tent the less he can spend pissing
in everyone elses.
On
the bright side for all of us he'll be gone some time in
the next 20 years.
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