Prince Charles, the misunderstood hippie
Zardoz Greek
zardos777 at yahoo.co.uk
Tue Dec 30 23:48:10 GMT 2014
Yes good sparring - you know, I suppose, about the royal estates evicting scores of tenants to sell them on the open market to rich city types - so what about this little horror story?
"Every time we examined royal finances we found extravagance and indulgence as well as abuse of expenses"
Prince Charles was behind this new FOI exemption which has made it almost impossible to find out what this uber landed Saxe-Coburg Gotha family say or do.
But I guess that doesn't affect The Land unless you have made any FOI requests of the biggest landowners in Britain? Ah no. Silly me :-)
The very apex of the parasitic feudal class system we are trying to overturn... We got people to house! No reason why EVERYBODY shouldn't have a roof over their head without having to pay a penny for it in rent or mortgage. Looks like Greece may be about to pull the whole house of cards down - we hope :-)
Yes, let them keep ONE palace I reckon B-)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/royal-family-granted-new-right-of-secrecy-2179148.html
See particularly below:
In the public interest? The stories they didn't want us to know
Royal Family granted new right of
secrecy
Special exemptions to be written into
Freedom of Information Act
By BY ROBERT VERKAIK , HOME AFFAIRS
EDITOR
Saturday 08 January 2011
The Royal Family is to be granted
absolute protection from public scrutiny
in a controversial legal reform designed
to draw a veil of secrecy over the
affairs of the Queen, Prince Charles and
Prince William.
Letters, emails and documents relating
to the monarch, her heir and the
second in line to the throne will no
longer be disclosed even if they are in
the public interest.
Sweeping changes to the Freedom of
Information Act will reverse advances
which had briefly shone a light on the
royal finances – including an attempt
by the Queen to use a state poverty
fund to heat Buckingham Palace – and
which had threatened to force the
disclosure of the Prince of Wales's
prolific correspondence with ministers.
Lobbying and correspondence from
junior staff working for the Royal
Household and Prince Charles will now
be held back from disclosure.
Buckingham Palace confirmed that it
had consulted with the Coalition
Government over the change in the law.
The Government buried the plan for
"added protection" for the Royal Family
in the small print of plans called
"opening up public bodies to public
scrutiny".
Maurice Frankel, head of the Campaign
for Freedom of Information, said that
since the change referred to
communications written on behalf of
the Queen and Prince Charles it might
be possible for "park keepers working
in the royal parks" to be spared public
scrutiny of their letters written to local
authorities.
The decision to push through the
changes also raises questions about the
sincerity of the Liberal Democrats'
commitment to government
transparency. In opposition, senior
Liberal Democrats frequently lined up
to champion the Freedom of
Information Act after it came into force
in 2005.
Ian Davidson, a former member of
Parliament's Public Accounts
Committee (PAC), told The Independent:
"I'm astonished that the Government
should find time to seek to cover up
royal finances. When I was on the PAC
what we wanted was more disclosure
not less.
"Every time we examined royal
finances we found extravagance and
indulgence as well as abuse of expenses
by junior royals.
"Everywhere we looked, there were
savings to be made for the Government.
This sends the wrong message about
public disclosure and accountability."
Paul Flynn, another member of the
committee, described the special
protection for the Royals as
"indefensible". He said: "I don't think it
serves the interests of the public or the
Royal Family very well."
Mr Frankel said he believed that Prince
Charles was the driving force behind
the new law.
"The heir to the throne has written
letters to government departments in
an attempt to influence policy," he said.
"He clearly does not want these to get
into the public domain."
Later this month, lawyers for the
Cabinet Office, backed by Prince
Charles, will go to court to continue to
resist Freedom of Information requests
of ministers to publish letters written to
them by the Prince of Wales.
A spokesman for Buckingham Palace
said that the change to the law was
necessary because the Freedom of
Information Act had failed to protect
the constitutional position of the
monarch and the heir to the throne. He
explained that the sovereign has the
right and duty to be consulted, to
encourage and warn the government,
and by extension, the heir to the throne
had the constitutional right and duty to
prepare himself for the role of King.
"This constitutional position relies on
confidentiality, so that all such
correspondence remains confidential,"
he said.
But he said that change would also
mean that correspondence not covered
by the absolute exemption would be
made public 10 years earlier than
under the current disclosure rules.
The Palace's position was backed by
Professor Vernon Bogdanor, research
professor at King's College London.
He told The Independent: "The essence
of constitutional monarchy is that the
Queen and other members of the Royal
Family remain politically neutral. The
Queen meets the Prime Minister once a
week, when both are in London, to
discuss government policy.
"The heir to the throne has the right,
and perhaps the duty, to question
ministers on policy so as to prepare
himself for the throne. Such discussions
are only possible if they remain
confidential. Otherwise the neutrality
of the Queen and of the Prince of Wales
could be undermined.
"When the Queen meets the Prime
Minister, no one else is present – not
even the Queen's Private Secretary. For
this reason, it is right that the Royal
Family should be exempt from FOI."
The Government claimed that the thrust
of the changes announced yesterday
would make it "easier for people to use
FOI to find and use information about
the public bodies they rely on and their
taxes pay for".
The Ministry of Justice intends to
increase the number of organisations to
which FOI requests can be made,
bringing in bodies such as the
Association of Chief Police Officers, the
Financial Services Ombudsman, and the
higher education admissions body
UCAS, and also all companies wholly
owned by any number of public
authorities.
In the public interest? The stories they
didn't want us to know
*In 2004 the Queen asked ministers for
a poverty handout to help heat her
palaces but was rebuffed because they
feared it would be a public relations
disaster. Royal aides were told that the
£60m worth of energy-saving grants
were aimed at families on low incomes
and if the money was given to
Buckingham Palace instead of housing
associations or hospitals it could lead to
"adverse publicity" for the Queen and the
government.
*A "financial memorandum" formalising
the relationship between the sovereign
and ministers set out tough terms on
how the Queen can spend the £38.2m
handed over by Parliament each year to
pay for her staff and occupied palaces.
*The Queen requested more public
money to pay for the upkeep of her
crumbling palaces while allowing minor
royals and courtiers to live in rent-free
accommodation.
*As early as 2004 Sir Alan Reid, the
Keeper of the Privy Purse, had
unsuccessfully put the case to the
Department for Culture, Media and Sport
for a substantial increase in the £15m-
a-year grant to maintain royal
buildings.
*The Palace planned to go ahead with
refurbishing and renting the apartment
of Diana, Princess of Wales at
Kensington Palace after it had lain
empty since her death in 1997.
*A letter exchange revealed a tussle over
who has control of £2.5m gained from
the sale of Kensington Palace land.
Ministers said it belonged to the state,
while Buckingham Palace said it
belonged to the Queen.
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On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 5:47 PM GMT Simon Fairlie wrote:
>Sorry Tony it was a bit late and it wasn't on for me to target you
>so forcefully.
>
>It's a bit of light relief to spar with you about Prince Chas, from
>time to time, but if you'd rather not that's fine.
>
>The fact that I met the guy for half an hour fifteen years ago is not
>going to alter my judgment. Of course he's a bloody landowner, and
>the deal he struck with West Dorset (Poundbury in exchange for the
>Dorchester bypass) was shite. But there are many worse than him that
>you don't target and I think you could at least give him credit fpr
>sticking his neck out on a number of environmental issues for which
>he gets mercilessly ridiculed in the press.
>
>Russian article will have to wait for next issue, deadline end April,
>but we would still like it please.
>
>Cheers
>
>
>Simon
>
>On 28 Dec 2014, at 13:09, Zardoz Greek wrote:
>
>> Hi Simon
>>
>> I realise you may have had a few jars when you wrote this.
>> And it may be to provoke discussion a bit but....
>>
>> Am I the only one wondering why criticism of the Guardian has
>> morphed into criticism of me?
>> The only one to wonder why our legitimate criticism of the Duke of
>> Westminster's pal & man to inherit more land than anyone on earth
>> has become "hatred"?
>>
>> And whether your private audience with Prince Charles, or any
>> similar 'off the record' 'Chatham House rules' relations since 2000
>> or so that I'm not aware of, has somewhat clouded your better
>> judgement... when it comes to being a voice to genuinely restore
>> peoples' land rights FOR EVERYONE in feudal Britain where the poor
>> are now being ground into the dirt by his Tory chums?
>>
>> Don't forget the monarchy spends millions on PR & influential
>> charities, foundations etc to influence opinion formers like us.
>> Then still asks for more millions to do up palaces
>>
>> Meanwhile.....
>>
>> UK Welfare Reform Deaths near 100 ~ Updated List ~ October 21st 2014
>> Posted on October 21, 2014 by John McArdle
>> http://blacktrianglecampaign.org/2014/10/21/uk-welfare-reform-
>> deaths-updated-list-october-21st-2014/
>>
>> and this is raging in case you hadn't noticed
>> The 'black spider' memos: Government’s last-ditch bid to keep
>> Prince Charles’ letters secret
>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/the-black-spider-
>> memos-governments-lastditch-bid-to-keep-prince-charles-letters-
>> secret-9880700.html
>>
>> Come on - open your eyes and get on the right side of history 'cos
>> I don't see ANY of our vision AT ALL anywhere on even one of
>> Charles' vast estates - if you don't think that's the point you may
>> as well bury your head in 'Harmony'.
>>
>> Tony
>> 07786952037
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Sun, 28/12/14, Simon Fairlie chapter7 at tlio.org.uk [Diggers350]
>> <Diggers350-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Diggers350] Prince Charles’s 10 principles for
>> architecture – and 10 much better ones
>> To: diggers350 at yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Sunday, 28 December, 2014, 4:37
>>
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>>
>>
>> Thjs article and its posting on diggers by the moderator of
>> the site is a manifestation of an obsessive dislike of
>> Prince Charles rather than any reasoned assessment of what
>> is happening to our metropolitan architecture.
>> The Guardian has it in for Prince Charles
>> because it has persisted in employing trendy, sports car
>> driving, architecture correspondents who spend all their
>> column inches puffing up the phallocratic erections of
>> their neo-brutalist heros.
>> The
>> esteemed moderator of this site has always manifested a
>> perversely over-exaggerated hatred of Prince Charles, whom
>> some of us have a little bit of respect for because he is
>> the only hippie head of state we, or anyone else, is ever
>> likely to get.
>> To
>> blame Prince Charles for No 1 Poultry is perverse. Charles
>> opposed the criminal demolition of the magnificent Mappin
>> and Webb flat iron building on the site, by Palumbo, and
>> anything erected on this site in replacement was bound to be
>> inferior. See a pic of the Mappin and Webb building on
>> wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mappin_%26_Webb
>> The climax of the Guardian's
>> anti Charles campaign came when they accused the Prince of
>> meddling in the banal redevelopment of Chelsea barracks by
>> the Qatari royal family. According to the Guardian it was OK
>> for Qatari royals to dictate what happens to the London
>> skyline, but not for UK royals to object.http://
>> www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jun/25/chelsea-barracks-trial-prince-
>> charles
>>
>> Simon
>> FairlieMonkton Wyld
>> CourtCharmouthBridportDorsetDT6
>> 6DQ01297 561359chapter7 at tlio.org.uk
>> http://www.thelandmagazine.org.uk/http://www.thescytheshop.co.uk/
>>
>> On 28 Dec 2014, at 02:04,
>> Zardoz Greek zardos777 at yahoo.co.uk
>> [Diggers350] wrote:
>>
>>
>> Prince
>> Charles’s 10 principles for architecture – and
>> 10 much better oneshttp://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2014/
>> dec/27/prince-charles-10-principles-architecture-10-better-ones
>> He’s
>> infuriated architects for more than 30 years – but
>> Prince Charles’s new set of rules for architectural
>> practice might be his silliest intervention yetPrince
>> Charles visit to Poundbury, Dorset, Britain A
>> spurious notion of What People Really Want …Prince
>> Charles in Poundbury, the housing development he created in
>> Dorset. Photograph: Paul Grover/REXDouglas
>> MurphySaturday
>> 27 December 2014 08.30 GMT
>> Share
>> on Facebook Share on Twitter Share via Email Share on
>> LinkedIn Share on Google+ Share on WhatsAppShares314Comments85An
>> unpleasant sense of deja vu occurs every time HRH The Prince
>> of Wales comes down from Balmoral to pipe up about
>> contemporary architecture. For more than 30 years now,
>> he’s been the bane of the architectural profession,
>> wielding his accidental power to influence the design not
>> only of individual buildings and projects, but the entire
>> debate about what architecture is, who it is for and what it
>> should look like. So when the Architectural Review recently
>> published his series of 10 principles for architecture, it
>> was hard to know whether to go apoplectic or simply roll
>> one’s eyes: “It’s that man again …
>> â€
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>> It
>> all began with what should have been an innocuous
>> after-dinner speech, when Charles was invited to address the
>> Royal Institute for British Architects’ 150th
>> anniversary dinner on 30 May 1984. But instead of
>> congratulating them all for doing such a jolly good job, he
>> took the opportunity to excoriate the profession and their
>> modern designs, with his immortal description of the
>> proposed extension to the National Gallery in London as a
>> “monstrous carbuncle on the face of a much-loved and
>> elegant friendâ€. What was remarkable was not so much the
>> ferocity of the Prince’s attack, but its success: the
>> design for the extension was dumped, and the career of its
>> architects, ABK, nosedived. In its place, a jokey and quite
>> flimsy fake-classical design by Venturi Scott-Brown stands
>> there today.
>> Advertisement
>> In
>> the same speech, the prince managed to kill off an office
>> block by the legendary German architect Mies van der Rohe,
>> which was to be situated near the Bank of England; instead
>> we got the garishly postmodern No 1 Poultry building by
>> Stirling/Wilford. Later, in 1987, Charles criticised a
>> scheme for Paternoster Square next to St Paul’s
>> Cathedral by his bete noir Richard Rogers, saying “you
>> have to give this much to the Luftwaffe, when it knocked
>> down our buildings, it didn’t replace them with
>> anything more offensive than rubbleâ€. Rogers’
>> scheme was quickly dropped.
>> No
>> 1 Poultry city of london Prince
>> Charles’s interference led to the cancellation of a
>> new Mies Van Der Rohe building in the City of London;
>> instead, we got the garishly postmodern No 1 Poultry.
>> Photograph: AlamyOver
>> subsequent years, in publications such as his Vision for
>> Britain, Charles gave us his eccentrically hyperbolic
>> opinions on other modern designs: John Madin’s
>> Birmingham Central Library of 1974 (now sadly being
>> demolished) looked like “a place where books are
>> incinerated, not keptâ€, while the British Library by
>> Colin St John Wilson was “more like the assembly hall
>> of an academy for secret policeâ€. This would all be
>> rather entertaining if it weren’t for the fact that,
>> over the years, Charles has thrown his royal privilege
>> around with total abandon, most recently getting directly in
>> touch with the Qatari royal family to get Richard Rogers
>> – who by this point had been m ade Baron Rogers of
>> Riverside – thrown off the project to redevelop the
>> Chelsea Barracks.
>> But
>> it wasn’t just his power that made Charles’
>> polemics hit home: they coincided with Britain’s
>> great lurch to the right. By the time Charles was making his
>> pleas for traditional design based upon “timelessâ€
>> principles, the dismantling of the welfare consensus of the
>> postwar world was in full swing. Rejecting modern
>> architecture went hand-in-hand with fighting the unions,
>> deregulating the planned economy, smashing industry and
>> rejecting the spectre of socialism that had almost ruined
>> Britain. During this time Charles surrounded himself with a
>> posse of traditionalist oddballs such as Quinlan Terry, who
>> believes classical architecture is an expression of
>> “divine orderâ€, and Leon Krier, much of whose
>> career has been spent trying to redeem the decidedly
>> mediocre neo-classical architecture of Albert Speer, the
>> Nazi minister for armaments during the second world
>> war.
>> Charles
>> and his friends like to portray themselves as the underdogs,
>> as victims of a leftie conspiracy of inhumane modernism, but
>> they couldn’t be more well connected, and their
>> polemics in favour of twee cottage architecture resonate
>> strongly with a public taste for the picturesque and
>> sentimental, and the spurious notion of What People Really
>> Want. Indeed, despite protestations to its radicalism, the
>> Prince’s own housing development of Poundbury in
>> Dorset is itself more or less indistinguishable from any
>> number of Noddy-house developments up and down the
>> country.
>> The
>> now-condemned Birmingham Central Library The
>> now-condemned Birmingham Central Library is just the kind of
>> modernist building Prince Charles set himself against in the
>> late 1980s. Photograph: AlamySo
>> what is he saying now, in his 10 points for
>> “sustainable†urban growth? Well, it’s
>> essentially a mix of the sensible, the tautological and the
>> downright sinister. The opening gambit is strong: not only
>> is the Prince not interested in “turning the clock
>> back to some Golden Ageâ€, but his thoughts and ideas
>> about architecture are all about the challenges of the
>> future, of housing the 3 billion extra people projected to
>> be on the planet by 2050, and housing them in a sustainable,
>> resilient manner. If we are to achieve this, he believes, we
>> are going to have to rediscover traditional approaches to
>> architecture, which developed over millennia, and were
>> abandoned in a so-called “progressive†modern
>> age.
>> The
>> prince believes in certain things that have become truisms
>> in architecture and planning, things even Richard Rogers
>> would agree with: that the dominance of the car in the
>> late-20th century was a terrible development, and that in
>> fact the pedestrian street is the most important artery
>> connecting the different mixes of uses and functions within
>> a community. As a result, urban density – once
>> considered one of the primary sources of slum misery
>> – is definitely in. Charles himself offers Kensington
>> and Chelsea as an example of high-quality, high-density
>> urbanism, but then, he would say that, wouldn’t
>> he?
>> He
>> is on shakier ground when he emphasises that buildings must
>> “relate to human proportionsâ€, a statement so
>> obvious it is essentially meaningless – even the
>> tallest skyscraper has human-sized WC cubicles, after all.
>> What he means is that architecture should return to the
>> harmonic principles of the classical orders of ancient
>> architecture, themselves inspired by the sacred geometry of
>> what Charles insists on calling “natureâ€. Here
>> we’re in more sinister territory. According to
>> Charles, nature’s order is “innately
>> beautifulâ€, the harmonic and geometrical division of
>> circles “displays the order which is sacred to all
>> thingsâ€, and this language, this geometric grammar,
>> “communicates directly to people by resonating with
>> their true beingâ€. In this scheme, the geometric rose
>> windows of a medieval cathedral, as “physical
>> manifestations of the Divine order of the universeâ€, are
>> inherently beautiful – but are we also to
>> understand that the
>> concrete windows of Le Corbusier’s brutalist La
>> Tourette monastery, themselves designed in accordance with a
>> mathematical harmonic system, are also beautiful? I
>> wouldn’t bet on it.
>> Corbusier's
>> Monastery of la Tourette Corbusier’s
>> La Tourette Monastery was designed in accordance with a
>> mathematical harmonic system, which is just the kind of
>> thing Prince Charles espouses – but would he approve
>> of this example? Photograph: Philippe Merle/AFPIn
>> the end, what it boils down to for HRH the Prince of Wales
>> is that designing according to nature’s order fulfils
>> humanity on the “physical, communal, cultural and
>> spiritual levelsâ€. But he is disingenuously silent about
>> why “traditional†architecture was superseded in
>> the first place. What he wishes to ignore is that, since the
>> industrial revolution, the human environment has changed,
>> for ever. New building technologies such as steel and glass
>> superseded stone and timber construction, allowing for new
>> kinds of building for which there was literally no
>> precedent. New modes of transit such as the railway changed
>> the way humans experienced space and time, while the
>> circulatory potential of the industrialised world allowed
>> for global capitalism to develop. The modern architecture
>> that the Prince hates so much became dominant after the war
>> not only because it was cheaper and more efficient than
>> traditional methods, but also because it embodied
>> a modern
>> world that actively wanted to cast off the traditional past
>> – a past that had culminated in the carnage of the
>> world wars.
>> At
>> the end of the day, architecture doesn’t change the
>> world, but it offers us a picture of how people see
>> themselves in it. In the 20th century, it was considered
>> preposterous to build traditionally in an industrialised
>> world that was exploring space, developing computers, and
>> feeding and educating its people like never before; indeed,
>> it’s telling that modern architecture only became
>> discredited when the crises of the 1970s kicked in and
>> progress itself was put in doubt. When Charles blasts modern
>> architecture, he is essentially blasting the historical
>> processes set in motion by the industrial revolution, and
>> lamenting the diminution of his royal power in the world
>> that it brought about. His dreams of traditionally designed
>> cities are dreams of a world where people forever know their
>> place.
>> Charles’s
>> 10 key principles …•
>> Developments must respect the land
>> •
>> Architecture is a language
>> •
>> Scale is also key
>> •
>> Harmony: neighbouring buildings ‘in tune’ but
>> not uniform
>> •
>> The creation of well-designed enclosures
>> •
>> Materials also matter: local wood beats imported
>> aluminium
>> •
>> Limit signage
>> •
>> Put the pedestrian at the centre of the design
>> process
>> •
>> Space is at a premium – but no high-rises
>> •
>> Build flexibility in
>>
>> …
>> and Douglas Murphy’s•
>> The city belongs to everyone
>> Public
>> space gets ever more murkily private; we need to redress the
>> balance of who owns what. It’s people like the Prince
>> that stand to lose out.
>> •
>> Your home is not a castle
>> We’d
>> be a far more equal and civilised island if the desire for
>> home ownership wasn’t pandered to at every
>> turn.
>> •
>> Architecture is not a language
>> The
>> idea of an underlying grammar to architecture implies urban
>> life peaked in the piazzas of Renaissance Florence –
>> a period of pestilence, gangster princes and public
>> executions.
>> •
>> But architecture can still be read
>> Buildings
>> have no language. But the mightiest palace and the tiniest
>> shed can tell us how those who build see the world and their
>> place in it.
>> •
>> Mimesis is not mimicry
>> Talented
>> architects can work with classical traditions in
>> contemporary architecture. It’s unlikely Charles
>> would recognise this if he saw it.
>> •
>> Honesty is still a virtue
>> The
>> architectural era Charles helped usher in was filled with
>> inane jokes and frivolous nonsense. Architecture
>> doesn’t need to be fun.
>> •
>> The street isn’t everything
>> It’s
>> right that the importance of the street is recognised, but
>> we must avoid turning city centres into identical forests of
>> privatised space.
>> •
>> Nature is not our friend
>> On
>> respecting nature, let us quote Werner Herzog: “There
>> is a harmony [to nature] – it is the harmony of
>> overwhelming and collective murderâ€.
>> •
>> Harmony involves dissonance
>> Cities
>> must improve their interactions with the natural world. This
>> does not mean architecture must copy natural forms; rather
>> it must reconcile itself with cycles of energy and
>> material.
>> Change
>> is coming
>> The
>> next century will be pivotal for humanity, and architecture
>> will play a huge role. Cute cottages with nice local
>> stonework won’t help.
>> •
>> Douglas Murphy is the author of The Architecture of
>> Failure
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>> 01looking
>> at the picture above it doesn't appear to have one
>> resident under the age of 60 or who isn't achingly
>> middle class. Its a Ghetto for the Daily Mail reading,
>> strictly consuming and tory voting barbarians who wish to
>> strangle civilisation with bunting and drown it in
>> tea.
>> One
>> wonders if we should in fact look to the past for our urban
>> design and construct walls around our cities to keep these
>> kind of people beyond the pale where they belong.
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>> Jon
>> Hartley3h
>> ago
>> 01I'm
>> delighted Charles continues to pour his ignorance and
>> meddling almost exclusively into architecture. The more time
>> he spends pissing in your tent the less he can spend pissing
>> in everyone elses.
>> On
>> the bright side for all of us he'll be gone some time in
>> the next 20 years.
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>> Diggers350
>> - an e-mail discussion/information-share list for
>> campaigners and members of THE LAND IS OURS landrights
>> network based in the UK http://www.tlio.org.ukhttp://
>> www.facebook.com/pages/The-Land-Is-Ours-a-landrights-campaign-for-
>> Britain/125281497524632
>> The
>> list was originally concerned with the 350th anniversary of
>> The Diggers (& still is concerned with their history).
>> The Diggers appeared at the end of the English Civil war
>> with a noble mission to make the earth 'a common
>> treasury for all'. In the spring of 1999 there were
>> celebrations to remember the Diggers vision and their
>> contribution.
>> TASH
>> FROM THE HILLhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWk9rRJsk5I
>> THE
>> LAND MAGAZINESubscription
>> is £24 for five issues, single copies are £5 including
>> postagePublished
>> roughly every six months (Jan and June)http://
>> www.thelandmagazine.org.uk/
>> (incl.online ordering with Paypal)Many
>> articles online - and downloaded with pictures as PDFs for
>> free.All
>> enquiries gill at thelandmagazine.org.uk
>> THE
>> SCYTHE SHOP (advertisement)There
>> is a revival of scything in the UK. Scything summer growth
>> by hand is usually quicker than using a strimmer, and there
>> is no noise, vibration or pollution. http://www.thescytheshop.co.uk/
>> Die
>> Pride and Envie; Flesh, take the poor's advice. Covetousnesse
>> be gon: Come, Truth and Love arise. Patience
>> take the Crown; throw Anger out of dores: Cast
>> out Hypocrisie and Lust, which follows whores: Then
>> England sit in rest; Thy sorrows will have end; Thy
>> Sons will live in peace, and each will be a
>> friend.http://www.bilderberg.org/land/gift.htm
>> Woe
>> to those who join house to house and field to field, until
>> there is no more room, and you are made to dwell alone in
>> the midst of the land. Yahweh of heaven's armies has
>> sworn in my hearing: "Surely many houses shall be
>> desolate, large and beautiful houses, without
>> inhabitant." Isaiah 5:8-9
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