Definitive: possible reasons for escalation of Syrian civil war
Zardoz Greek
zardos777 at yahoo.co.uk
Fri Oct 9 20:15:28 BST 2015
Can we be a bit more respectful of the views of others and move on please,
ie no squabbling, if you're going to criticise do it constructively only
Looks like World War Three may be about to break out in Syria which, admittedly on the Golan Heights, we hohoho predicted as 17 year olds.
Check this
US to abandon training new Syria rebel groups
The US is to end its efforts to train new Syrian rebel forces and says it will shift to providing equipment and weapons to existing forces.
Its $500m (£326m) programme was heavily criticised after it emerged that US-trained rebels had handed vehicles and ammunition over to extremists.
It emerged last month that only four or five of the fighters were in Syria.
The programme had aimed to train and equip 5,400 fighters this year and a further 15,000 in 2016.
A senior administration official said the programme was being put on "pause".
The programme had suffered from "significant challenges", the official said, adding: "We had a very high bar in terms of recruiting".
The US will no longer vet every individual recruit but just the leaders of the groups they decide to work with, who will face "very vigorous vetting".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34486572
And you'll see Russian chess team is already fighting the US/Israeli King and Queen with Rook-like Britain up to no good too
EU states pawns?
What about Beijing?
Anyway - I hope you you get my drift
Game Theory
Why the U.S. Owns the Rise of Islamic State and the Syria Disaster
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/why_the_us_owns_the_rise_of_islamic_state_and_the_syria_disaster_20151008
https://twitter.com/TonyGosling/status/652463968670351360
;-) Tony
PS - We did the refugees on the radio this evening = as well as the Tory conference and BBC VIPaedophile Panorama
George Galloway on Sputnik tomorrow just pours petrol on the flames - probably
https://politicsthisweek.wordpress.com/2015/10/09/bcfm-politics-show-presented-by-tony-gosling-2/
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On Tue, 6/10/15, Ram Selva seeds at snail.org.uk [Diggers350] <Diggers350-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Diggers350] Syria: real reasons for the escalation of Syrian civil-war
To: Diggers350 at yahoogroups.com
Cc: "Alison Banville" <alisonbanville at yahoo.co.uk>, mark at tlio.org.uk, "Mike Raddie" <raddie23 at gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, 6 October, 2015, 14:23
There we go again!
The topic started off What's going on in Syria ...
and we have a regurgitation of half baked theories on oil
prices!!
There are people dying like flies a day another winter
approaching with
white supremacist powers [includes Russia now] focused on a
war game in
what they see as a choke point to play military games.
There are people like you and me dying in large numbers in
Syria and UK
Plc would be held in the centre of any accountability
process... one
fine day.
Even if you consider oil price fixing, North American Tar
Sands or Shale
production etc London's central role is absolute.
Let us keep it real especially when the issue in Syria is
related in
many ways to us!
On 04-10-2015 20:24, Alison Banville
alisonbanville at yahoo.co.uk
[Diggers350] wrote:
> Engdhal does acknowledge it - the counter claim IS the
publicly stated
> reason ' The public reason claimed is to gain new
markets in a global
> market of weakening oil demand' but the counter
argument is simply
> ludicrous - what new oil markets could they be talking
about - there
> are no new oil markets in the 21st century - countries
either use oil
> or they don't.
>
>
> It's as if some had never heard of a monopoly - a
country or company
> deliberately forcing down prices to gain existing
market share by
> putting competitors out of business. This has
backfired, by the way,
> in the US where shale oil operations need at least $80
per barrel to
> make a profit.
>
> Engdahl has made a judgement call based in the reality
that the
> biggest player in any business CAN control prices.
It's worth stating
> that OPEC and its biggest producer only set production
levels but set
> them high enough and price falls - set them low and
price rises. The
> price of gold used to be set in same way but since one
family cornered
> the market by holding down global sales, they now set
the price
> directly, every week in a London office.
>
> The reason Russia is doing oil / gas / other deals with
China and
> others without using the US dollar is precisely to
avoid losses due to
> market manipulation
>
> Hasanov's arguments don't stand up under
scrutiny and this is why
> Engdhal cited them but never went into detail - they
are obviously the
> cover to an insider manipulation conspiracy which could
never be
> publicly revealed.
>
>
> Mike, BSN ed
>
>
> If I may intercede here -> crazy isn't it that
all the effort and the
> slow progress environmental and social campaigns are
making could be -
> and even look likely to be - derailed and even
obliterated by a world
> war our governments may precipitate just to distract
attention from
> their own criminality (Whitehall MI5 paedophile murder
ring which five
> special branch (SB) officers have now gone to the IPCC
about)
>
>
https://www.ipcc.gov.uk/news/ipcc-oversee-further-12-cases-alleged-historical-corruption-within-metropolitan-police
>
https://www.ipcc.gov.uk/news/ipcc-oversee-further-12-cases-alleged-historical-corruption-within-metropolitan-police
>
>
>
> Bill Cooper explains all ;-)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozXAmIRcpVw
> https://youtu.be/2pLUXBVb8XI?t=5m10s
>
>
> [ed. Tony]
> From: Simon Fairlie
> To: Alison Banville
> Cc: "mark at tlio.org.uk" ;
"Diggers350 at yahoogroups.com"
> Sent: Sunday, 4 October 2015, 10:12
> Subject: Re: [Diggers350] Syria: real reasons for the
escalation of
> Syrian civil-war
>
>
> The BS News article would be a more trustworthy
account if it
> acknowledged that its main source article by Nihan
Cabbaroglu (ref 2)
> also cites another analyst who disagrees with Rashid
Abanmy's theory:
> "Another analyst took issue with Abanmy's
views, however. Caspian
> Strategy Institute analyst Mubariz Hasanov told
Anadolu Agency (AA),
> that a single country cannot have much effect on oil
prices. 'The U.S.
> and Saudi Arabia alone do not have the power to
seriously affect oil
> prices', Hasanov insisted. 'No country has this
kind of power, unless
> it starts a war or executes a strong embargo, as was
done in 1973.'
> All other efforts could only have a limited and
temporary effect on
> oil prices, Hasanov said, 'If the price of oil is
going to fall by 5
> percent for economic reasons, political efforts to
decrease it can
> only make it 5.5 percent, not 10 percent.'
"
> Simon
> On 2 Oct 2015, at 09:07, Alison Banville
alisonbanville at yahoo.co.uk
> mailto:alisonbanville at yahoo.co.uk [Diggers350]
wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> In fact, Mark, we published the very article you
mention last year:
>
http://bsnews.info/secret-stupid-saudi-us-deal-syria/
>
http://bsnews.info/secret-stupid-saudi-us-deal-syria/
>
>
> BSNews is really the place to look for up to the
minute independent
> news. William Engdahl is one of our favourite
writers.
>
> From: "mark at tlio.org.uk mailto:mark at tlio.org.uk
[Diggers350]"
> <Diggers350-noreply at yahoogroups.com
> mailto:Diggers350-noreply at yahoogroups.com>
> To: Diggers350 at yahoogroups.com
mailto:Diggers350 at yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 1 October 2015, 1:33
> Subject: [Diggers350] Syria: real reasons for the
escalation of Syrian
> civil-war
>
>
>
>
> Food for thought regarding Syria. What the hell is
really going on?
> The Assad regime is accused of 85% of the deaths, but
they
> counterclaim this to be factually incorrect. Certainly,
the chemical
> weapons attack in 2013 which was the pretext for
bombing by US & UK
> has been shown to have been carried out by Islamic
fundamentalists.
> Isis, al-Nusra and the other dozens of Sunni Islam
armed groups have
> been funded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar, with CIA and MI6
support, plus
> flows of arms and Islamic fighters from the mess which
is now Libya.
> The following article from last year tells you
everything you need to
> kw about what has really been behind all this:
>
>
>
>
http://www.conspiracy-cafe.com/apps/blog/show/42943562-the-secret-stupid-saudi-us-deal-on-syria-oil-gas-pipeline-war-
>
http://www.conspiracy-cafe.com/apps/blog/show/42943562-the-secret-stupid-saudi-us-deal-on-syria-oil-gas-pipeline-war-
>
>
>
>
> The Kerry-Abdullah Secret Deal
> By F. William Engdahl
> Global Research, October 26, 2014
> Boiling Frogs Post
>
> The details are emerging of a new secret and quite
stupid Saudi-US
> deal on Syria and the so-called IS. It involves oil and
gas control of
> the entire region and the weakening of Russia and Iran
by Saudi
> Arabian flooding the world market with cheap oil.
Details were
> concluded in the September meeting by US Secretary of
State John Kerry
> and the Saudi King. The unintended consequence will be
to push Russia
> even faster to turn east to China and Eurasia.
>
> One of the weirdest anomalies of the recent NATO
bombing campaign,
> allegedly against the ISIS or IS or ISIL or Daash,
depending on your
> preference, is the fact that with major war raging in
the world’s
> richest oil region, the price of crude oil has been
dropping,
> dramatically so. Since June when ISIS suddenly captured
the oil-rich
> region of Iraq around Mosul and Kirkuk, the benchmark
Brent price of
> crude oil dropped some 20% from $112 to about $88.
World daily demand
> for oil has not dropped by 20% however. China oil
demand has not
> fallen 20% nor has US domestic shale oil stock risen by
21%.
>
> What has happened is that the long-time US ally inside
OPEC, the
> kingdom of Saudi Arabia, has been flooding the market
with deep
> discounted oil, triggering a price war within OPEC,
with Iran
> following suit and panic selling short in oil futures
markets. The
> Saudis are targeting sales to Asia for the discounts
and in
> particular, its major Asian customer, China where it is
reportedly
> offering its crude for a mere $50 to $60 a barrel
rather than the
> earlier price of around $100. [1] That Saudi financial
discounting
> operation in turn is by all appearance being
coordinated with a US
> Treasury financial warfare operation, via its Office of
Terrorism and
> Financial Intelligence, in cooperation with a handful
of inside
> players on Wall Street who control oil derivatives
trading. The result
> is a market panic that is gaining momentum daily. China
is quite happy
> to buy the cheap oil, but her close allies, Russia and
Iran, are being
> hit severely.
>
> The deal
> According to Rashid Abanmy, President of the
Riyadh-based Saudi
> Arabia Oil Policies and Strategic Expectations Center,
the dramatic
> price collapse is being deliberately caused by the
Saudis, OPEC’s
> largest producer. The public reason claimed is to gain
new markets in
> a global market of weakening oil demand. The real
reason, according to
> Abanmy, is to put pressure on Iran on her nuclear
program, and on
> Russia to end her support for Bashar al-Assad in
Syria.[2]
>
> When combined with the financial losses of Russian
state natural gas
> sales to Ukraine and prospects of a US-instigated
cutoff of the
> transit of Russian gas to the huge EU market this
winter as EU
> stockpiles become low, the pressure on oil prices hits
Moscow doubly.
> More than 50% of Russian state revenue comes from its
export sales of
> oil and gas.
>
> The US-Saudi oil price manipulation is aimed at
destabilizing several
> strong opponents of US globalist policies. Targets
include Iran and
> Syria, both allies of Russia in opposing a US sole
Superpower. The
> principal target, however, is Putin’s Russia, the
single greatest
> threat today to that Superpower hegemony. The strategy
is similar to
> what the US did with Saudi Arabia in 1986 when they
flooded the world
> with Saudi oil, collapsing the price to below $10 a
barrel and
> destroying the economy of then-Soviet ally, Saddam
Hussein in Iraq
> and, ultimately, of the Soviet economy, paving the way
for the fall of
> the Soviet Union. Today, the hope is that a collapse of
Russian oil
> revenues, combined with select pin-prick sanctions
designed by the US
> Treasury’s Office of Terrorism and Financial
Intelligence will
> dramatically weaken Putin’s enormous domestic support
and create
> conditions for his ultimate overthrow. It is doomed to
fail for many
> reasons, not the least, because Putin’s Russia has
taken major
> strategic steps together with China and other nations
to lessen its
> dependence on the West. In fact the oil weapon is
accelerating recent
> Russian moves to focus its economic power on national
interests and
> lessen dependence on the Dollar system. If the dollar
ceases being the
> currency of world trade, especially oil trade, the US
Treasury faces
> financial catastrophe. For this reason, I call the
Kerry-Abdullah oil
> war a very stupid tactic.
>
> The Kerry-Abdullah secret deal
>
> On September 11, US Secretary of State Kerry met Saudi
King Abdullah
> at his palace on the Red Sea. The King invited former
head of Saudi
> intelligence, Prince Bandar to attend. There a deal was
hammered out
> which saw Saudi support for the Syrian airstrikes
against ISIS on
> condition Washington backed the Saudis in toppling
Assad, a firm ally
> of Russia and de facto of Iran and an obstacle to Saudi
and UAE plans
> to control the emerging EU natural gas market and
destroy Russia’s
> lucrative EU trade. A report in the Wall Street Journal
noted there
> had been “months of behind-the-scenes work by the US
and Arab leaders,
> who agreed on the need to cooperate against Islamic
State, but not how
> or when. The process gave the Saudis leverage to
extract a fresh US
> commitment to beef up training for rebels fighting Mr.
Assad, whose
> demise the Saudis still see as a top priority.”
[3]
>
> For the Saudis the war is between two competing
age-old vectors of
> Islam. Saudi Arabia, home to the sacred cities of Mecca
and Medina,
> claims de facto supremacy in the Islamic world of Sunni
Islam. The
> Saudi Sunni form is ultra-conservative Wahhabism, named
for an 18th
> Century Bedouin Islamic fundamentalist or Salafist
named Muhammad ibn
> Abd al-Wahha. The Taliban derive from Wahhabism with
the aid of
> Saudi-financed religious instruction. The Gulf Emirates
and Kuwait
> also adhere to the Sunni Wahhabism of the Saudis, as
does the Emir of
> Qatar. Iran on the other hand historically is the heart
of the smaller
> branch of Islam, the Shi’ite. Iraq’s population is
some 61% majority
> Shi’ite. Syria’s President, Bashar al-Assad is a
member of a satellite
> of the Shi’ite branch known as Alawite. Some 23% of
Turkey is also
> Alawite Muslim. To complicate the picture more, across
a bridge from
> Saudi Arabia sits the tiny island country, Bahrain
where as many as
> 75% of the population is Shi’ite but the ruling
Al-Khalifa family is
> Sunni and firmly tied to Saudi Arabia. Moreover, the
richest Saudi oil
> region is dominated by Shi’ite Muslims who work the
oil installations
> of Ras Tanura.
>
>
> These historic fault lines inside Islam which lay
dormant, were
> brought into a state of open warfare with the launching
of the US
> State Department and CIA’s Islamic Holy War,
otherwise known as the
> Arab Spring. Washington neo-conservatives embedded
inside the Obama
> Administration in a form of “Deep State” secret
network, and their
> allied media such as the Washington Post, advocated US
covert backing
> of a pet CIA project known as the Muslim Brotherhood.
As I detail in
> my most recent book, Amerikas’ Heiliger Krieg, the
CIA had cultivated
> ties to the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood death cult
since the early
> 1950’s.
>
> Now if we map the resources of known natural gas
reserves in the
> entire Persian Gulf region, the motives of the
Saudi-led Qatar and UAE
> in financing with billions of dollars the opposition to
Assad,
> including the Sunni ISIS, becomes clearer. Natural gas
has become the
> favored “clean energy” source for the 21st Century
and the EU is the
> world’s largest growth market for gas, a major reason
Washington wants
> to break the Gazprom-EU supply dependency to weaken
Russia and keep
> control over the EU via loyal proxies like Qatar.
>
> The world’s largest known natural gas reservoir sits
in the middle of
> the Persian Gulf straddling part in the territorial
waters of Qatar
> and part in Iran. The Iranian part is called North
Pars. In 2006
> China’s state-owned CNOOC signed an agreement with
Iran to develop
> North Pars and build LNG infrastructure to bring the
gas to China.[4]
>
> The Qatar side of the Persian Gulf, called North
Field, contains the
> world’s third largest known natural gas reserves
behind Russia and
> Iran.
>
> In July 2011, the governments of Syria, Iran and Iraq
signed an
> historic gas pipeline energy agreement which went
largely unnoticed in
> the midst of the NATO-Saudi-Qatari war to remove Assad.
The pipeline,
> envisioned to cost $10 billion and take three years to
complete, would
> run from the Iranian Port Assalouyeh near the South
Pars gas field in
> the Persian Gulf, to Damascus in Syria via Iraq
territory. The
> agreement would make Syria the center of assembly and
production in
> conjunction with the reserves of Lebanon. This is a
geopolitically
> strategic space that geographically opens for the first
time,
> extending from Iran to Iraq, Syria and Lebanon.[5] As
Asia Times
> correspondent Pepe Escobar put it, “The
Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline – if
> it’s ever built – would solidify a predominantly
Shi’ite axis through
> an economic, steel umbilical cord.”[6]
>
> Shortly after signing with Iran and Iraq, on August
16, 2011, Bashar
> al-Assad’s Syrian Ministry of Oil announced the
discovery of a gas
> well in the Area of Qarah in the Central Region of
Syria near Homs.
> Gazprom, with Assad in power, would be a major investor
or operator of
> the new gas fields in Syria. [7] Iran ultimately plans
to extend the
> pipeline from Damascus to Lebanon’s Mediterranean
port where it would
> be delivered to the huge EU market. Syria would buy
Iranian gas along
> with a current Iraqi agreement to buy Iranian gas from
Iran’s part of
> South Pars field.[8]
>
> Qatar, today the world’s largest exporter of LNG,
largely to Asia,
> wants the same EU market that Iran and Syria eye. For
that, they would
> build pipelines to the Mediterranean. Here is where
getting rid of the
> pro-Iran Assad is essential. In 2009 Qatar approached
Bashar al-Assad
> to propose construction of a gas pipeline from
Qatar’s north Field
> through Syria on to Turkey and to the EU. Assad
refused, citing
> Syria’s long friendly relations with Russia and
Gazprom. That refusal
> combined with the Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline
agreement in 2011
> ignited the full-scale Saudi and Qatari assault on
Assad’s power,
> financing al Qaeda terrorists, recruits of Jihadist
fanatics willing
> to kill Alawite and Shi’ite “infidels” for $100 a
month and a
> Kalishnikov. The Washington neo-conservative warhawks
in and around
> the Obama White House, along with their allies in the
right-wing
> Netanyahu government, were cheering from the bleachers
as Syria went
> up in flames after spring 2011.
>
> Today the US-backed wars in Ukraine and in Syria are
but two fronts
> in the same strategic war to cripple Russia and China
and to rupture
> any Eurasian counter-pole to a US-controlled New World
Order. In each,
> control of energy pipelines, this time primarily of
natural gas
> pipelines—from Russia to the EU via Ukraine and from
Iran and Syria to
> the EU via Syria—is the strategic goal. The true aim
of the US and
> Israel backed ISIS is to give the pretext for bombing
Assad’s vital
> grain silos and oil refineries to cripple the economy
in preparation
> for a “Ghaddafi-”style elimination of Russia and
China and Iran-ally
> Bashar al-Assad.
>
> In a narrow sense, as Washington neo-conservatives see
it, who
> controls Syria could control the Middle East. And from
Syria, gateway
> to Asia, he will hold the key to Russia House, as well
as that of
> China via the Silk Road.
>
> Religious wars have historically been the most savage
of all wars and
> this one is no exception, especially when trillions of
dollars in oil
> and gas revenues are at stake. Why is the secret
Kerry-Abdullah deal
> on Syria reached on September 11 stupid? Because the
brilliant
> tacticians in Washington and Riyadh and Doha and to an
extent in
> Ankara are unable to look at the interconnectedness of
all the
> dis-order and destruction they foment, to look beyond
their visions of
> control of the oil and gas flows as the basis of their
illegitimate
> power. They are planting the seeds of their own
destruction in the
> end.
>
> William Engdahl is author of A Century of War:
Anglo-American Oil
> Politics in the New World Order. He is a contributing
author at BFP
> and may be contacted through his website at
> www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net
http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/
> where this article was originally published.
>
> Notes:
>
> [1] M. Rochan, Crude Oil Drops Amid Global Demand
Concerns, IB Times,
> October 11, 2014
>
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/crude-oil-drops-amid-global-demand-concerns-1469524
>
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/crude-oil-drops-amid-global-demand-concerns-1469524
>
> [2] Nihan Cabbaroglu, Saudi Arabia to pressure Russia
Iran with price
> of oil, 10 October 2014, Turkish Anadolu Agency,
> http://www.aa.com.tr/en/economy/402343
>
http://www.aa.com.tr/en/economy/402343–saudi-arabia-to-pressure-russia-iran-with-price-of-oil
>
> [3] Adam Entous and Julian E. Barnes, Deal With Saudis
Paved Way for
> Syrian Airstrikes: Talks With Saudi Arabia Were
Linchpin in U.S.
> Efforts to Get Arab States Into Fight Against Islamic
State, Wall
> Street Journal, September. 24, 2014,
>
http://online.wsj.com/articles/deal-with-saudis-paved-way-for-syrian-airstrikes-1411605329?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories
>
http://online.wsj.com/articles/deal-with-saudis-paved-way-for-syrian-airstrikes-1411605329?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories
>
> [4] POGC, North Pars Gas Field, Pars Oil and Gas
Company website,
>
http://www.pogc.ir/NorthParsGasField/tabid/155/Default.aspx
>
http://www.pogc.ir/NorthParsGasField/tabid/155/Default.aspx
>
> [5] Imad Fawzi Shueibi , War Over Gas–Struggle over
the Middle East:
> Gas Ranks First, 17 April, 2012.
> http://www.voltairenet.org/article173718.html
> http://www.voltairenet.org/article173718.html
>
> [6] Pepe Escobar, Why Qatar Wants to Invade Syria,
Asia Times,
> September 27, 2012,
>
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32576.htm
>
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32576.htm
>
> [7] Ibid.
>
>
> [8] F. William Engdahl, Syria Turkey Israel and the
Greater Middle
> East Energy War, Global Research, October 11, 2012,
>
>
>
http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-turkey-israel-and-the-greater-middle-east-energy-war/5307902
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-turkey-israel-and-the-greater-middle-east-energy-war/5307902
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