UK's biggest landowner fosters Islamist hate preaching using MI5, then condemns it

Tony Gosling tony at
Tue Apr 30 01:04:41 BST 2019

Playing both sides your highness? And no problem with Christian 
Zionist hate preachers like John MacArthur who says Muslims are the 
antichrist's footsoldiers?

The court documents also reveal Abu Hamza was an agent for MI5 and 
Special Branch, going by the code name Damson Berry.

Abu Hamza concerns raised by Queen

Same day: The fallout! BBC apologise to Queen over Abu Hamza disclosure
    * 25 September 2012
The Queen voiced concerns to the previous government about the 
inability of UK authorities to arrest Abu Hamza al-Masri, it has 
emerged. [to find a law under which he could be arrested]
The BBC's Frank Gardner says the Queen told him she had spoken to a 
home secretary about the issue.
On Monday, a European Court of Human Rights ruling paved the way for 
the radical cleric to be extradited to the US after an eight-year battle.
The Home Office said the extradition would happen "as quickly as possible".
Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, our correspondent said the 
Queen had been upset that there was no way to arrest the radical 
cleric and spoke to the then home secretary to ask why somebody who 
appeared to be inciting violence and hatred was still at large.
"Like anybody, she was upset that her country and its subjects were 
being denigrated by this man," said our correspondent, who stressed 
that the monarch was not lobbying but "merely voicing the views that 
many have".

By Dominic Casciani - whose colleague Frank Gardner nearly got sacked 
as a BBC correspondent because of this story

The legal and political importance of this final decision by the 
European court cannot be overestimated. In the wake of 9/11, 
Washington and London developed extradition and counter-terrorism 
strategies designed to make sure that suspects, wherever they were, 
would face justice.
Now that Strasbourg has stepped aside, there is no other legal avenue 
open for three of the five.
But there is a question mark over the fate of Babar Ahmad and his 
co-accused, Syed Talha Ahsan. Campaigners have raised serious 
questions about the fairness of what has happened to them.
There has been an 11th-hour attempt to privately prosecute the pair 
because their alleged offences occurred in London.
That may lead to a last attempt to delay their transfer - but many 
legal experts doubt that it could stop these extraditions, which are 
so important to both governments.
A spokeswoman for Buckingham Palace said it would "never comment on 
private conversations involving any member of the Royal Family".
The Home Office also said it would not comment on such conversations.
It is rare for the Queen to express opinions on such matters. [for it 
to be reported is rare]
Labour MP Keith Vaz, chairman of the Commons Home Affairs Select 
Committee, said it showed "how deeply concerned" the Queen is for the 
"welfare of her subjects".
He told BBC News: "It's good that she has mentioned this to the home 
secretary and absolutely appropriate."
But campaign group Republic has accused the BBC of revealing details 
of the Queen's interest in the case to put her "on the right side of 
public opinion".
"The decision to disclose this one conversation while keeping all 
else secret smacks of a deliberate PR stunt to put the Queen on the 
right side of public opinion," the group said.
On Monday, a panel of the European court's highest judges declined to 
refer the case of Abu Hamza and four other terrorism suspects to the 
European Court's Grand Chamber - the last avenue of appeal open to 
them in their fight against extradition to the US.
The men have argued that they will face inhumane treatment in the US 
if they are sent there.

Life imprisonment

But the US authorities, supported by British officials, are now 
working on arrangements to transfer the men to America to face 
terrorism charges. It is believed extraditions could happen within three weeks.
Abu Hamza is wanted over allegations he plotted to set up a terrorist 
training camp in the US and was involved in kidnapping Western 
hostages in Yemen. If convicted, he faces life imprisonment.
Abu Hamza has argued he would face inhumane and degrading treatment 
if imprisoned for life without possibility of parole.
His legal battle has lasted more than eight years and cost millions of pounds.
The case of Babar Ahmad - who, with co-accused Syed Talha Ahsan, is 
alleged to have run a jihadist website in London that provided 
support to terrorists - is not as clear cut, according to BBC home 
affairs correspondent Danny Shaw.
Campaigners for Mr Ahmad say the battle to keep him in the UK will continue.
His supporters say he should stand trial in the UK because the 
alleged offences occurred here.
Earlier this month, a businessman began the process of launching a 
private prosecution, saying that British suspects should be tried in 
the UK, not abroad.
Adel Abdul Bary and Khaled al-Fawwaz are accused of being aides to 
former al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden in London.
They said that they faced an inhumane regime of solitary confinement 
in a special "supermax" prison.
The five men were indicted on terrorism charges by the US between 
1999 and 2006.
Abu Hamza and Mr Ahmad have been in custody since 2004, and Mr Ahsan 
since 2006; the arrests of Mr Bary and Mr al-Fawwaz date back to 
1998, making them the longest-held detainees without trial in the UK.
Abu Hamza was convicted in 2006 in the UK of charges including 
soliciting to murder and stirring up racial hatred, and given a 
seven-year jail sentence.
Following the European ruling on Monday, US Justice Department 
spokesman Dean Boyd said: "We are pleased that the litigation before 
the European Court of Human Rights in these cases has come to an end, 
and we will be working with the UK authorities on the arrangements to 
bring these subjects to the United States for prosecution."

see also
mastermind Haroon Rashid Aswat extradited from Broadmoor
and betrayal of victims families: 10 years after 7/7

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