What are land rights?
Simon Fairlie
chapter7 at tlio.org.uk
Sat Dec 1 09:57:06 GMT 2007
Here is a transcript of a discussion between Tony Gosling, who
moderates Diggers 350 and myself about what should and shouldn't go
up on the Diggers list. Tony has a more narrow view of what
constitutes land rights than I. It would be good to hear what other
people think.
The Land Is Ours mission statement is to "campaign peacefully for
access to the land, its resources, and the decision-making processes
affecting them, for everyone, irrespective of race, gender or age."
In my view access to land obviously includes access to roads — and
access to its resources includes the world's atmosphere to which
everybody should have broadly equal access, whereas at present
citizens of the UK use about 10 times as much as citizens of India.
I suggest that material relating to roads, climate etc should be
allowed on the site when it explicitly addresses issues of access and
equity, but not when it doesn't . So, for example a posting on
carbon offsetting through buying up tropical forests would be
relevant, as would a posting on carbon rationing. But a posting on
the rate at which glaciers are melting, or police behaviour at the
climate camp, for example would probably not be.
Any comments?
Simon
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Simon Fairlie <chapter7 at tlio.org.uk>
> Date: 30 November 2007 19:20:25 GMT
> To: Tony Gosling <tony at tlio.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [diggers350] Sustrans? No Thanks.
>
> I can see your point. I have the same issue with The Land. But I
> think the net should include all physical commons, which includes
> roads and climate, all part of our common treasury.
> Simon
> On 30 Nov 2007, at 17:57, Tony Gosling wrote:
>
>> 'Cos it's not about land rights - you can twist all sorts of
>> environmental
>> issues to become land rights - such as the climate change stuff -
>> if you're
>> prepared to stretch a point til it nearly breaks ... but I try by
>> damnedest
>> to keep this list focussed on the social justice side - access to
>> land for
>> homes and livelihoods
>>
>> T
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 17:30 30/11/07 +0000, you wrote:
>>> Why? Although I don't agree with him, I've no objection to him
>>> posting it, and it is relevant to who owns the road.
>>>
>>> Simon
>>> On 30 Nov 2007, at 17:13, Tony Gosling wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Simon,
>>>>
>>>> I sent a similar message to Larch asking him not to post this
>>>> stuff in
>>>> future an hour ago
>>>>
>>>> great minds and all that!
>>>>
>>>> Tony
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At 16:33 30/11/07 +0000, you wrote:
>>>>> I'm rather suspicious of
>>>>> Sustrans. They
>>>>> seem to be perpetuating Buchanan's theories about separating
>>>>> different
>>>>> modes of traffic which were responsible for all those ring roads,
>>>>> and
>>>>> pedestrian tunnels and circuitous footbridges.I would prefer to
>>>>> see cars
>>>>> disadvantaged by making them more expensive, governing their
>>>>> speed and
>>>>> giving pedestrians full priority in towns. If you reduce and slow
>>>>> down car
>>>>> use then the pedestrians and cyclists can look after themselves
>>>>> and don't
>>>>> need millions of quids worth of funding.SimonOn 30 Nov 2007, at
>>>>> 12:49,
>>>>> Maxey L. wrote:To my mind this is the most sustainable option
>>>>> reducing
>>>>> carbon emissions, creating community benefits, etc., what do you
>>>>> think? Dr.
>>>>> Larch MaxeySwansea University/Prifysgol
>>>>> AbertaweL.Maxey at swansea.ac.uk www.lammas.org.uk From:
>>>>> localsustuk at yahoogroups.com [mailto:localsustuk at yahoogroups.com]
>>>>> On Behalf
>>>>> Of divingnick1Sent: 28 November 2007 11:08To:
>>>>> localsustuk at yahoogroups.comSubject: [localsustuk] Vote Sustrans
>>>>> Connect2! I'm posting this to ask you to help sustainable
>>>>> transport charity
>>>>> Sustrans win £50 million from the Big Lottery Fund to invest in 79
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>>>>> routes,
>>>>> potentially saving 79,000 tonnes of carbon - the equivalent of
>>>>> emissions
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>>>>> about
>>>>> Connect2 before making up your mind take a look at
>>>>> www.sustransconnect2.org.ukTo make Connect2 happen we now really
>>>>> need your
>>>>> support and just a few moments of your time could make all the
>>>>> difference.
>>>>> We need your vote and the votes of as many people as you
>>>>> know.There are
>>>>> three opportunities to vote - online, from a landline and by
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>>>>> voting began at 9am on Monday 26th November at
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>>>>> Sustrans' Connect2 (and I really hope you do!), many thanks and
>>>>> please do
>>>>> forward this e-mail to your own contacts and urge them to vote
>>>>> too----------------------------------------------------Nick
>>>>> HannaCo-ordinatorHastingsUrbanBikeswww.HastingsUrbanBikes.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
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