[diggers350] allotments in Camden Town? Difficult!

Mark Barrett marknbarrett at googlemail.com
Fri Aug 14 14:10:57 BST 2009

I agree with Heather though did not have such good language to
describe the effect.

All I will add to this is that is it proof that there is plenty of
land available, to grow abundant food on, to feed everyone in the
world, with room to spare. If only we would use it more wisely.

What we hear from Hilary Benn recently is no more than further
ignorance and stupidity forming policy. That we also hear Porrit and
Attenborough also telling us there is not enough food and to grow it
for the poor will make climate change worse worries me immensely. They
are blaming the poor for the crimes of the idle wealthy. Us!

Brgds Robin "Robin Smith" <robinsmith3 at googlemail.com>,

2009/8/14 Heather Wetzel <heather.wetzel at oisc.gov.uk>:
 > Hi Mark
> My views:
> The reason why the agricultural price of land is high is because of the
> subsidies the farmers get from the CAP.  Any subsidy or grant will
> eventually increase the price of the land  - rent or freehold - to include
> the real value of the land plus the value of the subsidies.  That is how
> owners of large farms get rich and why so many tenants farmers cannot
> survive.
> If there was a land value tax and no subsidies for farmers, the price of
> land would fall and allow more farmers to buy or rent land for farming.
> price we pay for food is too low and current farming policies encourage
> destruction of meadow land once the financial benefit of the subsidy
> received for keeping land as meadow is lost to the financial benefit they
> receive for digging up this land for crops.  We need strong farming
> that will encourage organic and other environmentally friendly forms of
> farming, less waste and more local produce being sold locally thus
> the stupidity of tomatoes being grown in one area to have to be
> market in another only to be transported back to the original locality for
> sale.
> Subsidies benefit landowners not farmers or farming or the environment.
> I will be interested to read the responses from others.
> cheers
> Heather
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Barrett [mailto:marknbarrett at googlemail.com]
> Sent: 14 August 2009 12:35
 Subject: Re: Professional Land Reform Group - PLRG Research Sub-Committee
> Hi all
> I'd like to learn how to give an LVT response to this thread - any idea
> Mark

2009/8/13 Simon Fairlie <chapter7 at tlio.org.uk>

> The rental  income of £320 per acre  for allotments  is 3 or 4 times  the
> rent for decent quality  pasture which is £60 to £100 per acre.
> The problem is that an acre or two bought on it s own can cost about
> £15,000 per acre. At this price it would take about 46 years to get your
> money back from allotments, and about 180 years from sheep.
> According to Adam Smith, in a heathy rural economy it should take about 20
>  years to recoup the price of land by renting it out (Wealth of Nations Book
> II Chapter 3). But even the normal agricultural price of £5000 per acre for
> land sold in large lots is about 60 times the annual agricultural rent. In
> other words buying land  is unaffordable for farmers unless they have
> savings which they are prepared invest unwisely.
> Simon
>  On 12 Aug 2009, at 21:34, james armstrong wrote:
> 1London is overpopulated with 25 million in the Thames tv catchment area
> and the only way to get allotments is to move to Dorchester .   The great
> wen housing and employment and crime and allotments problems are un
> solvable  on any other terms.
> 2  After five years' graft, tonight we had runner beans, cabbage and
> potatoes  followed by rasperries all picked yesterday from our allotment.
> Only the ice cream was bought.
>  we have picked kilos of blackberries and bottles of elder flowers  for
> cordial.
> 3 allotment rent is some #20 per annum, at 16 to the acre the income is
> about the same as
> a farmer renting out a field  to a sheep raiser.
> It is a serious consideration for  a group or individual to buy an acre or
> two and rent it out as diy 'allotments.'  its a good principle that people
> can do what governments cant and corporations wont.
> james, Dorchester
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