[Diggers350] 99% of worlds population will have to go...?
mrzouk8 at yahoo.com
Sat Apr 2 20:05:10 BST 2011
There is any easy way to solve the issue, if the governments of the world (controlled by the coroporations) refuse to use solutions that are to the better of the people.
Then there is anther option for them, if they believe in population control. (something I'm againt) then they should be the first to volunteer to leave...
things might get better then
the calculation of the population is here
and for those interested in free energy and the limitless possibilities
Car that runs on nothing but water unveiled in Japan...!!!
No gasoline, no battery recharging and no emissions.
offcourse we're hoping that events won't take away from this great invention......
one does have to wonder about why certain events happen
if anyone cares to research checkout this, (might require translation, (should happen automatically)
slovakia mainstream news shares info on Weather modification weapons
there is nothing new about weather weapons, it seems this depopulation thing may already be happening....
--- On Sat, 4/2/11, Tony Gosling <tony at cultureshop.org.uk> wrote:
From: Tony Gosling <tony at cultureshop.org.uk>
Subject: [Diggers350] 99% of worlds population will have to go...?
To: "dicegeorge at hotmail dot com" <dicegeorge at hotmail.com>, diggers350 at yahoogroups.com, tliocoregroup at yahoogroups.com, liliapatterson at hotmail.com
Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 11:04 PM
George is admin of new tlio 'core group' comms list.
I should have put that info more clearly in the
square brackets and am quite happy to clarify
things on the Diggers list if you think people might be confused.
It's quite clear that the word exterminate is mine.
Could you explain George what I said as TLIO
spokesperson all those months ago that was not TLIO policy?
As I understand it you were supposed to be
discussing it in Bristol recently but didn't get round to it.
Wouldn't it be nice to go back to being an
inclusive group and have proper regular meetings
which are publicly advertised and open to everyone one of these days.
Rather than 'invite only' meetings with secret minutes.
The opposition is mobilising and on the
So should we be
As I speak this morning an illeagl eviction is
taking place in south bristol and 12 people are
being made homeless as police break into a squat ILLEGALLY.
Rather than decend into irellevant private
discussions, infighting and personal attacks
which are such a waste of time and energy?
Dice George's (& possibly the other george) views
on population are highly contentious for a key
tlio rep... but that doesn't mean we can't have a
mature discussion about them on the public list.
And agree to disagree if necessary.
At 02:18 02/04/2011, dicegeorge at hotmail dot com wrote:
>I object strongly to Tony (or whoever)
>adding the line
>[(member in charge of comms in 'new TLIO' core group)]
>into a copyrighted email I sent to him on March 22, 2011 12:06 PM
>and making it appear that i am representing TLIO in this comment,
>and then publishing it on his diggers350 email list on March 26, 2011 12:37 PM
>It is not OK for you to change my private email messages,
>and pass them off as written by me, and then to publish them.
>I may be mistaken, but I believe that this is what has happened.
>Also please note that the word 'exterminate' is Tony's not mine,
>the Chinese one baby per couple policy was not extermination.
>How would Tony apply his solution to London?
>There was mass starvation in China when Mao moved city people into the fields.
>~ [g] ~ [george] ~ george at dicenews.com ~
>~ 07970 378 572 ~ ~ ~
>~ www.dicegeorge.com (c)2011. ~
>From: "Tony Gosling" <tony at cultureshop.org.uk>
>Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 12:37 PM
>To: "Massimo" <diggers350 at yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: fwd: [Diggers350] Monbiot's conversion,
>now 'loves' glowing example of Fukushima
>>George Monbiot is getting slagged off by greens for doing the maths!
>>The only longterm solution is reduction of human
>>population to less than 1% of what it is now - will people vote for that?
>>Or, Tony, what's your solution to our addiction
>>to power and population growth?
>>dicegeorge (member in charge of comms in 'new TLIO' core group)
>>~ [g] ~ [george] ~ george at dicenews.com ~
>>~ 07970 378 572 ~ ~ ~
>>~ www.dicegeorge.com (c) 2011. ~
>>[Worrying misuse of the word 'only' in line 2
>>george. Population growth happens in traumatised
>>unequal societies under attack by the power elite.]
>>[Solution: work locally, move to self-sufficient
>>post industrial society, renationalise railways &
>>utilities, redistribute land, use clean coal and way less energy generally]
>>[- surely a better move than exterminating 99% of
>>the world's population (useless eaters) which the power elite want? - Tony]
>>From: "Zardoz" <tony at cultureshop.org.uk>
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 9:41 AM
>>To: <Diggers350 at yahoogroups.com>
>>Subject: [Diggers350] Monbiot's conversion, now
>>'loves' glowing example of Fukushima
>>>Our founder turned one trick climate pony -
>>>George scribbles like a Zombie for the war and
>>>money control Western power elite in the
>>>Guardian today. These fascists require positive
>>>press from fake environ-mentalists to put their
>>>evil plans back on track since the developing Fukushima disaster.
>>>No mention does Monbiot make of the need for
>>>crippling public subsidy - motivation of entire
>>>industry being for plutonium for weapons -
>>>deadly legacy for hundreds of thousands of years
>>>- nor of last week's accident at Oldbury nuke station in Gloucestershire.
>>>Neither will you find in the Guardian today
>>>anything that Jeremy Corbyn, John MacDonald or
>>>dennis Skinner said in yesterday's commons 'debate' on Libya.
>>>Oldbury reactor failure leads to 'mildly' radioactive steam release
>>>Reactor 2 was automatically and safely shut down
>>>following an electrical problem on conventional
>>>plant in the site's turbine hall.
>>>"Post trip cooling on Reactor 2 has commenced
>>>successfully. Investigations into the cause of this event are ongoing."
>>>Why Fukushima made me stop worrying and love nuclear power
>>>Japan's disaster would weigh more heavily if
>>>there were less harmful alternatives. Atomic
>>>power is part of the mix up in my brain
>>>Want some real news and not this City of London
>>>financed hypnotic pseudo-left tripe?
>>>--- In Diggers350 at yahoogroups.com, Tony Gosling <tony at ...> wrote:
>>>>A cloud of nuclear mistrust spreads around the world
>>>>March 16, 2011
>>>>After decades of lies, nuclear reassurances now fall on deaf ears
>>>>Special report by Michael McCarthy
>>>>It is unprecedented: four atomic reactors in dire
>>>>trouble at once, three threatening meltdown from
>>>>overheating, and a fourth hit by a fire in its
>>>>storage pond for radioactive spent fuel.
>>>>All day yesterday, dire reports continued to
>>>>circulate about the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear
>>>>plant, faced with disaster after Japan's tsunami
>>>>knocked out its cooling systems. Some turned out
>>>>to be false: for example, a rumour, disseminated
>>>>by text message, that radiation from the plant
>>>>had been spreading across Asia. Others were true:
>>>>that radiation at about 20 times normal levels
>>>>had been detected in Tokyo; that Chinese airlines
>>>>had cancelled flights to the Japanese capital;
>>>>that Austria had moved it embassy from Tokyo to
>>>>Osaka; that a 24-hour general store in Tokyo's
>>>>Roppongi district had sold out of radios,
>>>>torches, candles and sleeping bags.
>>>>But perhaps the most alarming thing was that
>>>>although Naoto Kan, Japan's Prime Minister, once
>>>>again appealed for calm, there are many - in
>>>>Japan and beyond - who are no longer prepared to be reassured.
>>>>The scale of the alarm is the remarkable thing:
>>>>how it has gone round the world (Angela Merkel
>>>>has imposed a moratorium on nuclear energy; in
>>>>France, there are calls for a referendum); how
>>>>it's even displaced the terrible story of Japan's
>>>>tsunami itself from the front-page headlines. But
>>>>then, public alarm about nuclear safety, as the
>>>>Fukushima emergency proves, is very easy to raise
>>>>- and, as the Japanese authorities are now discovering, very hard to calm.
>>>>The reason is an industry which from its
>>>>inception, more than half a century ago, has
>>>>taken secrecy to be its watchword; and once that
>>>>happens, cover-ups and downright lies often
>>>>follow close behind. The sense of crisis
>>>>surrounding Japan's stricken nuclear reactors is
>>>>exacerbated a hundredfold by the fact that, in an
>>>>emergency, public trust in the promoters of
>>>>atomic power is virtually non-existent. On too
>>>>many occasions in Britain, in America, in Russia,
>>>>in Japan - pick your country - people have not
>>>>been told the truth (and have frequently been
>>>>told nothing at all) about nuclear misadventures.
>>>>To understand the mania for secrecy, we have to
>>>>go back to nuclear power's origins. This was not
>>>>a technology dreamt up as a replacement for
>>>>coal-fired power stations; this is a military
>>>>technology, conceived in a life-or-death
>>>>struggle, which has been modified for civilian
>>>>purposes. At its heart is the nuclear chain
>>>>reaction, the self-sustaining atom-splitting
>>>>process ("fission") which occurs when enough
>>>>highly radioactive material is brought together,
>>>>and which produces other radioactive elements
>>>>("fission products"), and a release of energy.
>>>>When it was first achieved by the physicists
>>>>Enrico Fermi and Leo Szilard, in an atomic "pile"
>>>>built in a squash court of the University of
>>>>Chicago in December 1942, it merely produced
>>>>heat; but all those involved understood that if
>>>>it could be speeded up, it would produce the
>>>>biggest explosive power ever known. And so was
>>>>born the Manhattan Project, the US undertaking to
>>>>build the atom bomb which was, while it lasted, history's biggest secret.
>>>>Secrecy came with nuclear energy, like a
>>>>birthmark, and, indeed, for 10 years after the
>>>>first A-bomb was dropped on Hiroshima in August
>>>>1945, it remained a covert military technology,
>>>>although first the Russians, and then the
>>>>British, followed the Americans in developing it.
>>>>Britain built a pair of atomic reactors at
>>>>Windscale on the Cumbrian coast, which produced
>>>>(as a fission product) plutonium, the material
>>>>used in the first British nuclear weapon. That
>>>>was exploded off the coast of Australia in 1952.
>>>>And it was in one of these reactors that the
>>>>world's first really serious nuclear accident
>>>>occurred: the Windscale fire of October 1957. The
>>>>reactor's core, made of graphite, caught light,
>>>>melted and burned substantial amounts of the
>>>>uranium fuel, and released large amounts of
>>>>radioactivity. It was the most serious nuclear
>>>>calamity until Chernobyl nearly 30 years later,
>>>>but the British government did all it could to
>>>>minimise its significance, trying at first to
>>>>keep it a complete secret (the local fire brigade
>>>>was not notified for 24 hours) and keeping the
>>>>official report confidential until 1988.
>>>>It was to be the first of many such nuclear
>>>>alarms and cover-ups at Windscale. In 1976, for
>>>>example, the secrecy surrounding a major leak of
>>>>radioactive water infuriated the then Technology
>>>>Minister, Tony Benn, who supported nuclear power,
>>>>when he learnt of it. But similar cover-ups were
>>>>happening all around the world.
>>>>At the US atomic weapons plant at Rocky Flats,
>>>>Colorado, there were numerous mishaps involving
>>>>radioactive material which were kept secret over
>>>>four decades, from the 1950s to the 1980s. In
>>>>Russia, the province of Chelyabinsk, just east of
>>>>the Urals, housed a major atomic weapons complex,
>>>>which was the site of three major nuclear
>>>>disasters: radioactive waste dumping and the
>>>>explosion of a waste containment unit in the
>>>>1950s, and a vast escape of radioactive dust in
>>>>1967. It is estimated that about half a million
>>>>people in the region were irradiated in one or
>>>>more of the incidents, exposing them to as much
>>>>as 20 times the radiation suffered by the
>>>>Chernobyl victims. None of which, of course, was
>>>>disclosed at the time. Chelyabinsk is sometimes
>>>>referred to now as "the most polluted place on the planet".
>>>>When we turn to Japan, we find an identical
>>>>culture of nuclear cover-up and lies. Of
>>>>particular concern has been the Tokyo Electric
>>>>Power Company (Tepco), Asia's biggest utility,
>>>>which just happens to be the owner and operator
>>>>of the stricken reactors at Fukushima.
>>>>Tepco has a truly rotten record in telling the
>>>>truth. In 2002, its chairman and a group of
>>>>senior executives had to resign after the
>>>>Japanese government disclosed they had covered up
>>>>a large series of cracks and other damage to
>>>>reactors, and in 2006 the company admitted it had
>>>>been falsifying data about coolant materials in
>>>>its plants over a long period.
>>>>Last night it was reported that the International
>>>>Atomic Energy Agency warned Japan more than two
>>>>years ago that strong earthquakes would pose
>>>>"serious problems", according to a Wikileaks US
>>>>embassy cable published by The Daily Telegraph.
>>>>Even Chernobyl, the world's most publicised
>>>>nuclear accident, was at first hidden from the
>>>>world by what was then the Soviet Union, and
>>>>might have remained hidden had its plume of
>>>>escaping radioactivity not been detected by scientists in Sweden.
>>>>So why do they do it? Why does the instinct to
>>>>hide everything persist, even now, when the major
>>>>role of nuclear energy has decisively shifted
>>>>from the military to the civil sector? Perhaps it
>>>>is because there is an instinctive and indeed
>>>>understandable fear among the public about
>>>>nuclear energy itself, about this technology
>>>>which, once its splits its atoms, releases deadly forces.
>>>>The nuclear industry is terrified of losing
>>>>public support, for the simple reason that it has
>>>>always needed public money to fund it. It is not,
>>>>even now, a sector which can stand on its own two
>>>>feet economically. So when it finds it has a
>>>>problem, its first reaction is to hide it, and
>>>>its second reaction is to tell lies about it. But
>>>>the truth comes out in the end, and then the
>>>>public trusts the industry even less than it
>>>>might have done, had it admitted the problem.
>>>>It doesn't have to be like this. A quarter of a
>>>>century ago, Britain's nuclear industry acquired
>>>>a leader who for a few years transformed its
>>>>public image: Christopher Harding. He was an open
>>>>and honest man who thought that the paranoia and
>>>>secrecy surrounding nuclear power should be swept away.
>>>>When he became chairman of British Nuclear Fuels,
>>>>which ran the Windscale plant, he decided on a
>>>>new order of things. He renamed it Sellafield,
>>>>and, to general astonishment, decreed that
>>>>instead of sullenly turning its back to the
>>>>public, it should welcome them with open arms. He
>>>>did the unthinkable: he opened a visitor centre!
>>>>Harding died young in 1999, but he was, in his
>>>>lifetime an exceptional man: not only for his
>>>>charm and his personal kindness - he was revered
>>>>by Sellafield employees - but for his vision of a
>>>>nuclear industry which would be better off
>>>>dealing with its problems through transparency
>>>>and honesty, rather than through obfuscation and
>>>>deceit. But he was, unfortunately, the exception who proved the rule.
>>>>The rest of the nuclear industry has been
>>>>dissembling for so long, and caught out in its
>>>>lies so often, that the chance for trust may have
>>>>passed. Even if, as I suspect, the Japanese
>>>>government is trying to be reasonably up front
>>>>about the problems at Fukushima, it is by no
>>>>means certain that anything it says about the
>>>>nuclear part of their nation's catastrophe will be believed.
>>>>+44 (0)7786 952037
>>>>"Capitalism is institutionalised bribery."
>>>>"The maintenance of secrets acts like a psychic
>>>>poison which alienates the possessor from the community" Carl Jung
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>>Diggers350 - an e-mail
>>discussion/information-share list for
>>campaigners and members of THE LAND IS OURS
>>landrights network based in the UK http://www.tlio.org.uk
>>The list was originally concerned with the
>>350th anniversary of The Diggers (& still is
>>concerned with their history). The Diggers
>>appeared at the end of the English Civil war
>>with a noble mission to make the earth 'a
>>common treasury for all'. In the spring of 1999
>>there were celebrations to remember the Diggers vision and their contribution.
>>TASH FROM THE HILL
>>THE LAND MAGAZINE
>>Simon Fairlie still produces The Land magazine every 6 months or so.
>>Subsription is £18 (£15 unwaged) or £4 for a single edition
>>Contributions are welcome http://www.thelandmagazine.org.uk/
>>THE SCYTHE SHOP (advertisement)
>>There is a revival of scything in the UK.
>>Scything summer growth by hand is usually
>>quicker than using a strimmer, and there is no
>>noise, vibration or pollution. Mowing an acre
>>of grass with a scythe is probably less hassle
>>than maintaining and using a motor scythe. Once
>>you have learnt how to sharpen and use an
>>Austrian scythe properly, mowing a meadow by
>>hand becomes a joy, rather than a struggle. http://www.thescytheshop.co.uk/
>>SOCIAL JUSTICE FILMS AND DVDS
>>Today, many of the best TV programmes are
>>broadcast in the wee small hours. Some
>>outstanding films don't make it onto TV at all!
>>You need miss out no longer. At CultureShop.org
>>you can buy historic independent media at a
>>sensible price. http://www.cultureshop.org
>>You can find out more about the Diggers and see
>>illustrations at: http://www.bilderberg.org/land/
>>Brendan Boal from the Climate Camp would like
>>me to point out that Bilderberg.org is my
>>private web site and as such is not officially part of The Land Is Ours.
>>Neither is this web site:
>>http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/memos.htmlYahoo! Groups Links
+44 (0)7786 952037
"Capitalism is institutionalised bribery."
"The maintenance of secrets acts like a psychic
poison which alienates the possessor from the community" Carl Jung
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