Use of CAP to break up large holdings

Fri Sep 3 19:12:54 BST 2004

  The main point to understand here is that there is no
upper limit on CAP subsidies--- a focused campaign at
this point whereby large landowners ceased to receive
subsidy after 1000acres (say) would act as a financial
leaver to break up larger holdings.

                             Peter Hack

Ecovillage Network UK <evnuk at gaia.org> wrote:
 > Dear Dave,
 >
 > Its not as difficult to redistribute land as you
 > make out.
 >
 > How about a points system much like the housing
 > registers work on now - but
 > with families having priority?
 >
 > There are plenty of ridiculously big landowners who
 > could have their land
 > taxed directly. I mean they have to give up a
 > proportion of their
 > landholding over 1000 acres every year. All this
 > land would be rural to
 > begin with
 >
 > Not everyone, by any means, wants to run a market
 > garden. So demand for
 > land won't be too high. And with strict controls on
 > the types of homes
 > people can build we can make sure there are no
 > legoland style eyesores.
 >
 > The main thing stopping redistribution is the vested
 > interests of those
 > who've put their lives in hock for a roof over their
 > heads. Ie those who
 > stand to loose if housing land prices stop rising
 > or, God forbid, fall to a
 > more realistic level.
 >
 >
 > Tony
 >
 >
 >
 > At 12:02 PM 8/30/04 +0000, you wrote:
 > >Tony
 > >I love your principles but in practice how will you
 > decide who farms 100
 > >acres and who only gets ten?
 > >Personally, I'd take ten acres in Central London
 > and dispense with work
 > >while others created wealth and food for me.
 > >
 > >Dave
 > >
 > >Dave Wetzel
 > >Vice-chair, Transport for London
 > >Windsor House, 42-50 Victoria Street.
 > >London. SW1H 0TL. UK.
 > >Tel 020 7941 4200
 > >Intl Tel: +44 207 941 4200
 > >
 > >Close to New Scotland Yard.
 > >Buses 11, 24, 148 & 211 pass the door. (507 passes
 > close by).
 > >Nearest Underground - St James's Park tube station.
 > >A walk or short bus ride from from Victoria and
 > Waterloo mainline
 > >stations. Public cycle parking available outside
 > Windsor House.
 > >
 > >
 > >-----Original Message-----
 > >From: Tony Gosling [mailto:tony at resourceforge.net]
 > >Sent: 29 August 2004 18:41
 > >To: diggers350 at yahoogroups.com
 > >Subject: [diggers350] Hurrah! No more LVT on the
 > Diggers list
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >Dear Diggers,
 > >
 > >The idea that subsistence farmers should be taxed
 > for the land they hold
 > >is anathama to many on this list. As is the idea
 > that a landowner should
 > >have to force land into production which he'd
 > rather leave fallow.
 > >
 > >That we should be taxed for the earth we need to
 > play on, build our homes
 > >on, get fuel and raw materials from and grow our
 > food on is abhorrent to
 > >many. And can be seen the thin end of the wedge of
 > the most vile economic
 > >slavery.
 > >
 > >So it'll come as a great relief to many of us
 > Diggers that those who
 > >believe land tax is in any way related to the sort
 > of land reform
 > >envisioned by Gerrard Winstanley, William Everard
 > and the other Diggers
 > >back in 1649 have found somewhere else to discuss
 > their 'economic miracle'
 > >
 > >Winstanley called for nothing of the sort. He
 > believed that land was the
 > >source of our economic wealth and dignity and that
 > by ensuring every
 > >family, every individual in the country had access
 > to land we, in this
 > >nation and beyond, could begin an unstoppable wave
 > of true security (not
 > >the sort that locks and guns bring) which would
 > sweep the land and the
 > >world.
 > >
 > >He also believed that the buying and selling of
 > anything should bring the
 > >death penalty. Which may sound extreme... but he
 > called buying and selling
 > >the 'horrible cheating' which, of course, it is,
 > with the monopolists of
 > >oil, housebuilding and supermarkets eroding small
 > busineses and exploiting
 > >us for our basic human needs.
 > >
 > >Gerrard Winstanley's vision was a simple one. A
 > world without money and
 > >with us all sharing the land which was and is a
 > free gift to mankind which
 > >ever way you look at it.
 > >
 > >Taxing land in Britain today would be an
 > unmitigated disaster. We already
 > >have a farming crisis and as marginal land became a
 > financial burden
 > >farmers would be forced to sell to the wealthy,
 > bringing about even more
 > >yuppification of the countryside. But maybe I
 > should be discussing this on
 > >the new list for those turned on by LVT.
 > >
 > >SEE BELOW
 > >
 > >
 > >From: <davewetzel at tfl.gov.uk>
 > >
 > >I'm emailing to inform you about the new Land Café
 > where a lively discussion
 > >about land related issues takes place and hopefully
 > helps those of us
 > >interested in land reform (especially land value
 > taxation) to take better
 > >informed and more appropriate action.
 > >
 > >If you are interested in these issues - you are
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 > >
 > >If you wish to join the Landcafé go direct to:
 > ><http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LandCafe>
 > >
 > >If you are already a member pls let me know as I
 > should not have included
 > >you in this mailing.
 > >
 > >Dave
 > >Dave Wetzel
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >
 >
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