FW: [Diggers350] Monbiot's conversion, now 'loves' glowing example of Fukushima
liliapatterson at hotmail.com
Sun Apr 3 16:57:42 BST 2011
From: liliapatterson at hotmail.com
To: ilyan.thomas at virgin.net
Subject: RE: [Diggers350] Monbiot's conversion, now 'loves' glowing example of Fukushima
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 15:53:32 +0000
People have being using half-baked ideas based on self-centred psychopathic interpretations of 'religion' for centuries, in particular the invasion and ethnic cleansing of the USA which led to more than 100 million dead indigenous American people, based on the religious concept of the Americas being 'the promised land'. New versions of Christianity were invented specially for these particular people who had been forcibly removed from Europe primarily by the aristocracy. Therefore the way in which people had been discriminated against in their own countries of origin (primarily Ireland and England) were a direct reason for why Christian Zionism is supported to this day by people who are genetically descended from people who were sold the idea of 'the promised land' in order to invade and profit from other people's land and resources.
Russian Bolshevic communism then instead led to the death of more than 110 million people in turn as some Bolshevic Jews from Southern Ossetia, homeland of the ancient Scythian people in the heartland of the Caucasian Mountains chose to remove the aristocracy and instead install Communism as a replacement ideology instead.
The current global problems in the world therefore could be stated primarily as being due to the result of a large percentage of the planet who have psychological problems leading to a domination complex using half-baked ideological ideas, that clinical psychologists would conventionally use as a reason to tick the box 'indicator of mental illness'.
If there is a 'food scarcity' - then people should primarily look at the following factors:i.e. 'food scarcity for whom?'
1. The global food industry that uses food brought long distances from other countries half way across the planet is based on a false economy - based on the price difference between economies in different countries. - This therefore causes it to be more profitable to buy sheep in New Zealand and transport them half way around the world for sale. This makes sheep in other countries (such as UK worthless) and therefore means that UK farmers can kill millions of sheep (and other animals) with no hesitation in mass bonfires, because according to the global economic model the English sheep are 'worthless'.
- This also means that it is more profitable for countries that have been invaded and subject to conflicts to be exploited for cheap labour, such as Bosnia and former Yugoslavia which are now centres of cheap clothing production based on a few mafia bosses operating factories to sell designer labels for profit to the rest of the world.
- This also means that it is cheaper for supermarkets in the UK and Europe and the USA to throw away food in vast vast quantities.
- This also means that it is cheaper for the USA (and Israel) to pay off dictators, or just the armies (when the dictators are removed) in order to control the mass food, water and resource production of 3rd world countries to purchase cheap agricultural products for relatively 'nothing' in return - in exchange for 'food aid' in return.
If 'scientists' are stating that there is a food shortage - then they need to look at 'where'? because if they look at the European food mountains and amount of food thrown away every day in the UK just as one example, they will see there is no food shortage whatsoever.
People who suffer from food shortages don't throw food away.
People who want to understand the economies of food-transportation in relation to the different economies of different countries and economies of scale and how the global food industry works and how this damages local food production in relation to imports and exports should study economics first before making statements to support ethnic cleansing based on no particular relevance to the global food industry.
To: liliapatterson at hotmail.com
CC: Diggers350 at yahoogroups.com
From: ilyan.thomas at virgin.net
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 23:43:31 +0100
Subject: Re: fwd: [Diggers350] Monbiot's conversion, now 'loves' glowing example of Fukushima
People have poisoned the planet and are making God's Creation of
Life on this planet go extinct. The religious half wits among us
should realise that as soon as the last
human died, God also becomes extnct.
Those Religious out to exterminate God accuse those who are tying to
save God of genocide. I have seen no person advocate genocide, but
there have been people calling for the working class to limit its
population since 1820. There was an IWW group in 1911 California
who advocated the same policy but self suppressed their ideas so as
not to offend the Religious among their Founders.
A self-saving God would have taken steps to limit the human
population to what the Earth can sustainably support soon enough to
stop the planet poisoning. THe 1918 'flu just was not lethal
enough, and by the time God came up with Ibola and failed to start
it in an international airport for global distribution it was too
It seems that God is disgusted at human behaviour, and if existant
outside the minds of people, has decided to wipe the slate clean to
enable a fresh start.
Dump Darwin and follow Alfred Russel Wallace on how to evolve.
Marxists should stand on Marx'x shoulders and look back to see where
he went wrong, hopefully they can then become Scientific Marxists.
:57, liliap at btinternet.com
Can you please give me some reasons to demonstrate the
arguments behind your mass genocidal tendencies please as
new representative of the 'new TLIO'. You certainly don't
represent my views as a long-standing TLIO representative,
who has also gone to European conferences to represent
TLIO where scientists who gave consultancy to the EU on
environmental issues were present.
>From my understanding, the planet does not necessarily
have a problem with humans and food consumption, if they
are able to be food-self-sufficient, which is not a
problem when people are able to grow their own food
locally using biodiverse methods which are in harmony with
In fact, humans when allowed to grow and source their own
food locally, can add massively to global ecological
biodiversity, if they are allowed. The Brazilian
rainforest for example, is a classic example of a
massively biodiverse ecological system created and
sustained by human intervention.
The nuclear industry instead in its various applications
does not add to global ecological biodiversity, and in
relation to supplying electricity to the world, is just
one application, amongst many. If people had access to
cheap affordable solar panels, they could provide their
own electricity for themselves for their own basic needs.
This is why the UK national grid is in fact giving support
for people to supply their own electricity to themselves
and to sell the electricity back to the grid to re-supply
to other consumers in order to secure more sustainable
long-term electricity use in the UK. There are a huge
range of renewable sustainable non-carbon based
alternatives to consumers to choose from, to supply
themselves with electricity for their day to day needs.
Therefore for someone like George Monbiot to support
nuclear energy when he is not a qualified scientist
specialising in energy consultancy, and to do advertising
on behalf of the nuclear industry, means that his actions
are therefore negligent, as the scientific advisor Dr.
Chris Busby who is a qualified scientific expert on
nuclear energy to the EU has in fact stated.
As you have stated that you instead support genocide of
95% of the world's population as representative of the
'new TLIO' can you also state your scientific backing for
your argument, since normally my understanding of people
who have genocidal tendencies, is that they should be put
in hospitals for the clinically insane.
Otherwise can you let me know, is the 'new TlIO' like new
labour, and the new conservatives where proposing to go to
war against people in other countries is based on a profit
motive, based on financial gain from supporting companies
that profit from war, and conflict, otherwise known as
supporting war criminals, and this is the only reason that
they aim to support mass genocide against others, for
their own short-term profit.
--- In Diggers350 at yahoogroups.com,
Tony Gosling <tony at ...> wrote:
> George Monbiot is getting slagged off by greens for
doing the maths!
> The only longterm solution is reduction of human
> population to less than 1% of what it is now - will
people vote for that?
> Or, Tony, what's your solution to our addiction to
power and population growth?
> dicegeorge (member in charge of comms in 'new TLIO'
> ~ [g] ~ [george] ~ george at ... ~
> ~ 07970 378 572 ~ ~ ~
> ~ www.dicegeorge.com
(c) 2011. ~
> [Worrying misuse of the word 'only' in line 2
> george. Population growth happens in traumatised
> unequal societies under attack by the power elite.]
> [Solution: work locally, move to self-sufficient
> post industrial society, renationalise railways &
> utilities, redistribute land, use clean coal and way
less energy generally]
> [- surely a better move than exterminating 99% of
> the world's population (useless eaters) which the
power elite want? - Tony]
> From: "Zardoz" <tony at ...>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 9:41 AM
> To: <Diggers350 at yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Diggers350] Monbiot's conversion, now
> 'loves' glowing example of Fukushima
> >Our founder turned one trick climate pony -
> >George scribbles like a Zombie for the war and
> >money control Western power elite in the
> >Guardian today. These fascists require positive
> >press from fake environ-mentalists to put their
> >evil plans back on track since the developing
> >No mention does Monbiot make of the need for
> >crippling public subsidy - motivation of entire
> >industry being for plutonium for weapons -
> >deadly legacy for hundreds of thousands of years
> >- nor of last week's accident at Oldbury nuke
station in Gloucestershire.
> >Neither will you find in the Guardian today
> >anything that Jeremy Corbyn, John MacDonald or
> >dennis Skinner said in yesterday's commons
'debate' on Libya.
> >Oldbury reactor failure leads to 'mildly'
radioactive steam release
> >Reactor 2 was automatically and safely shut down
> >following an electrical problem on conventional
> >plant in the site's turbine hall.
> >"Post trip cooling on Reactor 2 has commenced
> >successfully. Investigations into the cause of
this event are ongoing."
> >Why Fukushima made me stop worrying and love
> >Japan's disaster would weigh more heavily if
> >there were less harmful alternatives. Atomic
> >power is part of the mix up in my brain
> >Want some real news and not this City of London
> >financed hypnotic pseudo-left tripe?
> >--- In Diggers350 at yahoogroups.com,
Tony Gosling <tony@> wrote:
> >>A cloud of nuclear mistrust spreads around
> >>March 16, 2011
> >>After decades of lies, nuclear reassurances
now fall on deaf ears
> >>Special report by Michael McCarthy
> >>It is unprecedented: four atomic reactors in
> >>trouble at once, three threatening meltdown
> >>overheating, and a fourth hit by a fire in
> >>storage pond for radioactive spent fuel.
> >>All day yesterday, dire reports continued to
> >>circulate about the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear
> >>plant, faced with disaster after Japan's
> >>knocked out its cooling systems. Some turned
> >>to be false: for example, a rumour,
> >>by text message, that radiation from the
> >>had been spreading across Asia. Others were
> >>that radiation at about 20 times normal
> >>had been detected in Tokyo; that Chinese
> >>had cancelled flights to the Japanese
> >>that Austria had moved it embassy from Tokyo
> >>Osaka; that a 24-hour general store in
> >>Roppongi district had sold out of radios,
torches, candles and sleeping bags.
> >>But perhaps the most alarming thing was that
> >>although Naoto Kan, Japan's Prime Minister,
> >>again appealed for calm, there are many - in
> >>Japan and beyond - who are no longer prepared
to be reassured.
> >>The scale of the alarm is the remarkable
> >>how it has gone round the world (Angela
> >>has imposed a moratorium on nuclear energy;
> >>France, there are calls for a referendum);
> >>it's even displaced the terrible story of
> >>tsunami itself from the front-page headlines.
> >>then, public alarm about nuclear safety, as
> >>Fukushima emergency proves, is very easy to
> >>- and, as the Japanese authorities are now
discovering, very hard to calm.
> >>The reason is an industry which from its
> >>inception, more than half a century ago, has
> >>taken secrecy to be its watchword; and once
> >>happens, cover-ups and downright lies often
> >>follow close behind. The sense of crisis
> >>surrounding Japan's stricken nuclear reactors
> >>exacerbated a hundredfold by the fact that,
> >>emergency, public trust in the promoters of
> >>atomic power is virtually non-existent. On
> >>many occasions in Britain, in America, in
> >>in Japan - pick your country - people have
> >>been told the truth (and have frequently been
> >>told nothing at all) about nuclear
> >>To understand the mania for secrecy, we have
> >>go back to nuclear power's origins. This was
> >>a technology dreamt up as a replacement for
> >>coal-fired power stations; this is a military
> >>technology, conceived in a life-or-death
> >>struggle, which has been modified for
> >>purposes. At its heart is the nuclear chain
> >>reaction, the self-sustaining atom-splitting
> >>process ("fission") which occurs when enough
> >>highly radioactive material is brought
> >>and which produces other radioactive elements
> >>("fission products"), and a release of
> >>When it was first achieved by the physicists
> >>Enrico Fermi and Leo Szilard, in an atomic
> >>built in a squash court of the University of
> >>Chicago in December 1942, it merely produced
> >>heat; but all those involved understood that
> >>it could be speeded up, it would produce the
> >>biggest explosive power ever known. And so
> >>born the Manhattan Project, the US
> >>build the atom bomb which was, while it
lasted, history's biggest secret.
> >>Secrecy came with nuclear energy, like a
> >>birthmark, and, indeed, for 10 years after
> >>first A-bomb was dropped on Hiroshima in
> >>1945, it remained a covert military
> >>although first the Russians, and then the
> >>British, followed the Americans in developing
> >>Britain built a pair of atomic reactors at
> >>Windscale on the Cumbrian coast, which
> >>(as a fission product) plutonium, the
> >>used in the first British nuclear weapon.
> >>was exploded off the coast of Australia in
> >>And it was in one of these reactors that the
> >>world's first really serious nuclear accident
> >>occurred: the Windscale fire of October 1957.
> >>reactor's core, made of graphite, caught
> >>melted and burned substantial amounts of the
> >>uranium fuel, and released large amounts of
> >>radioactivity. It was the most serious
> >>calamity until Chernobyl nearly 30 years
> >>but the British government did all it could
> >>minimise its significance, trying at first to
> >>keep it a complete secret (the local fire
> >>was not notified for 24 hours) and keeping
> >>official report confidential until 1988.
> >>It was to be the first of many such nuclear
> >>alarms and cover-ups at Windscale. In 1976,
> >>example, the secrecy surrounding a major leak
> >>radioactive water infuriated the then
> >>Minister, Tony Benn, who supported nuclear
> >>when he learnt of it. But similar cover-ups
> >>happening all around the world.
> >>At the US atomic weapons plant at Rocky
> >>Colorado, there were numerous mishaps
> >>radioactive material which were kept secret
> >>four decades, from the 1950s to the 1980s. In
> >>Russia, the province of Chelyabinsk, just
> >>the Urals, housed a major atomic weapons
> >>which was the site of three major nuclear
> >>disasters: radioactive waste dumping and the
> >>explosion of a waste containment unit in the
> >>1950s, and a vast escape of radioactive dust
> >>1967. It is estimated that about half a
> >>people in the region were irradiated in one
> >>more of the incidents, exposing them to as
> >>as 20 times the radiation suffered by the
> >>Chernobyl victims. None of which, of course,
> >>disclosed at the time. Chelyabinsk is
> >>referred to now as "the most polluted place
on the planet".
> >>When we turn to Japan, we find an identical
> >>culture of nuclear cover-up and lies. Of
> >>particular concern has been the Tokyo
> >>Power Company (Tepco), Asia's biggest
> >>which just happens to be the owner and
> >>of the stricken reactors at Fukushima.
> >>Tepco has a truly rotten record in telling
> >>truth. In 2002, its chairman and a group of
> >>senior executives had to resign after the
> >>Japanese government disclosed they had
> >>a large series of cracks and other damage to
> >>reactors, and in 2006 the company admitted it
> >>been falsifying data about coolant materials
> >>its plants over a long period.
> >>Last night it was reported that the
> >>Atomic Energy Agency warned Japan more than
> >>years ago that strong earthquakes would pose
> >>"serious problems", according to a Wikileaks
> >>embassy cable published by The Daily
> >>Even Chernobyl, the world's most publicised
> >>nuclear accident, was at first hidden from
> >>world by what was then the Soviet Union, and
> >>might have remained hidden had its plume of
> >>escaping radioactivity not been detected by
scientists in Sweden.
> >>So why do they do it? Why does the instinct
> >>hide everything persist, even now, when the
> >>role of nuclear energy has decisively shifted
> >>from the military to the civil sector?
> >>is because there is an instinctive and indeed
> >>understandable fear among the public about
> >>nuclear energy itself, about this technology
> >>which, once its splits its atoms, releases
> >>The nuclear industry is terrified of losing
> >>public support, for the simple reason that it
> >>always needed public money to fund it. It is
> >>even now, a sector which can stand on its own
> >>feet economically. So when it finds it has a
> >>problem, its first reaction is to hide it,
> >>its second reaction is to tell lies about it.
> >>the truth comes out in the end, and then the
> >>public trusts the industry even less than it
> >>might have done, had it admitted the problem.
> >>It doesn't have to be like this. A quarter of
> >>century ago, Britain's nuclear industry
> >>a leader who for a few years transformed its
> >>public image: Christopher Harding. He was an
> >>and honest man who thought that the paranoia
> >>secrecy surrounding nuclear power should be
> >>When he became chairman of British Nuclear
> >>which ran the Windscale plant, he decided on
> >>new order of things. He renamed it
> >>and, to general astonishment, decreed that
> >>instead of sullenly turning its back to the
> >>public, it should welcome them with open
> >>did the unthinkable: he opened a visitor
> >>Harding died young in 1999, but he was, in
> >>lifetime an exceptional man: not only for his
> >>charm and his personal kindness - he was
> >>by Sellafield employees - but for his vision
> >>nuclear industry which would be better off
> >>dealing with its problems through
> >>and honesty, rather than through obfuscation
> >>deceit. But he was, unfortunately, the
exception who proved the rule.
> >>The rest of the nuclear industry has been
> >>dissembling for so long, and caught out in
> >>lies so often, that the chance for trust may
> >>passed. Even if, as I suspect, the Japanese
> >>government is trying to be reasonably up
> >>about the problems at Fukushima, it is by no
> >>means certain that anything it says about the
> >>nuclear part of their nation's catastrophe
will be believed.
> >>+44 (0)7786 952037
> >>"Capitalism is institutionalised bribery."
> >>"The maintenance of secrets acts like a
> >>poison which alienates the possessor from the
community" Carl Jung
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